Backing up big movies into a single 4.7Gb DVD-R...

[Areku]

Let's see...

Since current DVD burners only accept 4.7Gb media, and most DVD movies go from 3Gb to 7 o 10Gb, I was wondering...

Since those multiple VOBs contain:

- the video track
- several audio tracks
- subtitles
- other information

Is there ANY TOOL or set of tools that would allow me to create ONE single set of VOB files with the desired movie and audio track and thus, reducing the size of big movies to one single big movie that would probably fit the 4.7Gb???

I just came across an option in SmartRipper which is called Stream Processing.

It looks like this would do what exactly I want (create a NEW VOB from the streams I'd choose) but I can't see anywhere that the total size gets reduced...

Has any1 tried this before?

Is there any stepbystep tutorial on these Smartripper features?

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Also, are the menus in a DVD editable? So, for example, I'd copy them, edit their options and for example disabling the extras so you get a professional DVD with only the movie in it but with the nice menu interface of the movie itself.

ThankS!

[billy2hats]

well ive used this ripper and you would be right but i have only found the total size of the file after its been ripped video and 1 audio i dont think you can edit the menus as such but if you get ifo edit you can change certain things like region etc when you deselect the various audios depending on the movie size it reduces by about 450meg well it did on swordfish region 1 hope this is some help;) ;)

[Areku]

Any1 else can provide any other solution?

Thanks!

[prisoner-enigma]

Yeah, I've had a similiar problem with commercial DVD's being too large to reasonably fit on a DVD-R, but I've found a solution that works pretty good.

Step 1: I use DVD Decrypter to do a whole DVD rip, concatenate all VOB files into one large one.

Step 2: Use DVD2AVI w/ the VFAPI plugin as a frame server. I crop out all the extra stuff (animated menus, special features, deleted scenes, featurette, whatever) and export only the movie itself. I decode all sound tracks and keep the Dolby 2.0 mix, decoded to WAV @48khz

Step 3: I use a nice MPEG encoder to re-encode the frame-served video. I have access to the best software encoder on the planet -- Cinemacraft SP, but TMPGEnc will still work very well (albeit much slower). For CCSP I generally start with a 3500 bitrate average, and tune it from there so that I fill up most of the DVD (taking audio size into account). I generally aim for a total video filesize of around 4GB. Video quality is INDISTINGUISHABLE from the original using the Cinemacraft encoder!

Step 4: Using DVDit! PE, I import the video and audio, setting the audio encode to Dolby Digital. NEVER EVER BOTHER WITH STRAIGHT PCM AUDIO! A typical 100 minute movie audio will consume about 1.7GB all by itself. Dolby Digital will drop this down to under 400MB usually. No quality loss!

Step 5: Burn the DVD!

[Areku]

How much time does it take since u begin ripping the DVD til u have it burned back into a blank DVD??

[prisoner-enigma]

Originally posted by Areku
How much time does it take since u begin ripping the DVD til u have it burned back into a blank DVD??

Well, let's see. DVD2AVI takes about five or six minutes to "save" the project (creating the D2V file). Creating the fake AVI file with VFAPI takes a about 30 seconds, and then comes the MPEG2 encoding. Cinemacraft requires one VBR pass to create a .VAF file, which is basically a lot of information about the video you are encoding. It's creating a baseline. After the .VAF is done, you can then choose multipass VBR and tune your bitrate. Using the Advanced function. The baseline for a movie like "Alien" which I did last night is about 2 hours to do the first VBR/VAF pass, then about 6 hours for the multiplass VBR. Note that this is being done on a 1.33Ghz Athlon Thunderbird. I have a 1.6Ghz Athlon XP that encodes a good bit faster, but it's busy with another (paying) project.

So, to sum it up, for a 2hr movie you can reasonably expect about 8-9 hours total encoding time invested. Add about two hours to master a new disc (multiplexing, burning, titles and chapters if you're so inclined).

[spun10th]

With this method you will not sacrafice any quality at all, just will lose the menu and any special features.

You will need DVDdecrypter, vsrtip 0.8, DVD quick builder DEMO, PRASI or GEAR DVD.

1. Use dvddecrypter, go to TOOLS then SETTINGS. Click the advanced tab and select merge VOB files, leave maximum file size at none. Click ok then rip.

2.Open vStrip GUI 0.8. Click add and navigate to the huge VOB file. Click the IFO tab, and navigate to the IFO that was brought over with the VOB. Click the OUTPUT tab. Under output name, navigate to someplace with around 4 or 5 gb of free space and name it new.vob. Be sure that SPLIT: is set to never. Click the substreams box then click the ALL button. Uncheck all streams that say subtitle next to them, uncheck all PCM audio streams, and all Ac3 audio except for Ac3 stream 0.(this is generaly english Dolby, however you can double check unde the IFO tab in the box that says AUDIO) Now, here is where it gets tricky.

[spun10th]

Uncheck the SUB STREAMS box at the very top, and then scroll down through the streams, the video streams will now be labled. Make note of what stream addresses are the video streams. Check the SUB STREAMS box at the very top again, and then uncheck all of the addresses that were just labled video streams EXCEPT for the one that was labled video stream 0. Leave this one checked as it is your main video stream.
Finaly click run and let it do its thing, it is supprisingly fast.

Now, open DVD Quick builder demo and check the box next to dvd style 1, then click the add title button. Navigate to the VOB you just stripped with Vstrip and click open. Leave default pointer set to first title, and check the box next to letterbox, then click ok.
Back at the main menu, click the button on the left that says create dvd files on hard disk for simulation. Leave all settings and click build. Select the drive with at least 4.5 gb or so and click except.

[spun10th]

2o mins later you will have a VIDEO_TS directory on the hard drive you selected. Open PRASI PRIMO DVD, select "go to full operation" click DATA disk icon from top left, and drag the VIDEO_TS folder to the project window. Click burn and WA-La!

This will play automaticaly when you put it in the SET-top dvd.

Let me know if have any questions.

oh yeah, if the vob is still to big after vstrip, try it with the 2 channel Ac3 instead of the dolby.

[prisoner-enigma]

Originally posted by spun10th
2o mins later you will have a VIDEO_TS directory on the hard drive you selected. Open PRASI PRIMO DVD, select "go to full operation" click DATA disk icon from top left, and drag the VIDEO_TS folder to the project window. Click burn and WA-La!

This will play automaticaly when you put it in the SET-top dvd.

Let me know if have any questions.

oh yeah, if the vob is still to big after vstrip, try it with the 2 channel Ac3 instead of the dolby.

This will allow you to rip very quickly with no quality loss, but quite often you'll find that some movies are still too large to fit on 4.7GB, even after ripping out most everything. Most of the DVD-9's I have rip to about 7GB-8GB in size. Even after trimming the extras, menus, and unwanted audio tracks, I generally end up with 5GB-6GB VOB files. In those cases, re-encoding is the only option.

[Areku]

spun10th,

Isn't all your multi-step process the same thing than going to SR and deselecting the streams you don't want?

For example I think I tested it with TITAN A.E. and for the 5.3Gb I went down to 4.9Gb, with only the video track and 1 audio track.

However, I can't find info on the stream processing options SR has so I don't know if there's any other way to finetune this.

I don't think reencoding is an option here... 9h in a 1Gb system is still too much for me.

I'd rather preffer sticking to DivX which takes 3h and keep using my VGA Out to watch some movies ;)

Other than this, the only other solution is to wait for the 9Gb DVD burners...

[spun10th]

I personally don't think the stream proccessing feature in smartripper does anything. In my experience it didn't drop the size at all. I don't know if this is because of settings issues or what. Try my proscess only if the movie you want is about 6gb or so after smartrippers standard main movie rip. It does work, it's just somewhat tedious. A movie ripped with smartripper still has the sub streams in the vob files. If this was not true, delselectingf them in Vstrip would not lower the size as it does. Don't be scared to try, and see what you can figure out. I'm still somewhat finetuning this proscess.

Also, www.cd-recordable.com has double sided 9.4 gb disks for $5.95 per disk (no case) I haven't tried these out yet, if anyone has let me know. I'm assuming there is a way to burn 4.7 gb of the full movie on one side and the rest on the other.

[prisoner-enigma]

Originally posted by Areku
spun10th,

Isn't all your multi-step process the same thing than going to SR and deselecting the streams you don't want?

For example I think I tested it with TITAN A.E. and for the 5.3Gb I went down to 4.9Gb, with only the video track and 1 audio track.

However, I can't find info on the stream processing options SR has so I don't know if there's any other way to finetune this.

I don't think reencoding is an option here... 9h in a 1Gb system is still too much for me.

I'd rather preffer sticking to DivX which takes 3h and keep using my VGA Out to watch some movies ;)

Other than this, the only other solution is to wait for the 9Gb DVD burners...

Why is 9 hours too long? Set it up, go to bed, and it'll be done when you wake up. That's what I do.

[mhonard]

spun10th - I have the double sided dics but I am not having success in splitting movies. I use smartripper and rip to one VOB limiting the size to around 4 gig. Thus I typicall get two VOB files. Then I use DVD Junior (same company as Quick Builder) to author files. First file authors OK but second file is considered an program stream by DVD Junior and thus DVD Junior trys to extract and make a new VOB. For unknown reasons the new VOB has no sound. A look at the audio stream with VOBrator crashes VOBrator. So how do you split the movies and author without going through the timely re-encoding process?:angelgrn:

[Areku]

spun10th,

OK, i'll try ur method as soon as i get the burner.... I rather preffer that than reencoding and loosing quality, even if it's not noticeable ;)

mhonard,

May be it's because of DVD Junior? Haven't u tried any other authoring DVD software? Some1 mentioned the Ulead MovieMaker or MovieMagic or somehting like this...

May be all our pain is reduced if we can just burn a double sided DVD with current 4.7Gb burners ;)

I assume it's IFO associated though... ie. having a IFO for each side pointing to the right bits...

Do you edit IFOs at all?

[spun10th]

Rip movie with a maximum vob of 4 gb, this will make one 4 gb vob and the remainder in another vob.

open DVD Quick builder demo and check the box next to dvd style 1, then click the add title button. Navigate to the larger VOB you just ripped and click open. Leave default pointer set to first title, and check the box next to letterbox, then click ok.
Back at the main menu, click the button on the left that says create dvd files on hard disk for simulation. Leave all settings and click build. Select the drive with at least 4.5 gb or so and click except. This will make a video_ts directory on the hard drive with a working movie, (it makes a video_ts.ifo and main ifo) that can be burned to a dvd-r and will autoplay in a set-top dvd (no menus) Now move the newly created video_ts foler to another location becuse you need to do the same process with the smaller vob you ripped and dvd quickbiulder defaults to the root of whatever drive letter you choose.

[spun10th]

Do the same thing with quickbuilder for the smaller vob and then burn one video_ts folder to one side, and one to the other.

Hope this helps you.

[mhonard]

spun10th

This is exactly what I am tryign to do (see my previous post). Problem is second VOB is corrupted somehow. DVD JR thinks it is a program stream and converts to a VOB that the sound won't play. Quick Builder won't even read the VOB. Have you successfully done this?????

[spun10th]

DVD quickbuilder will read vob, m2p and ac3. If you have a corrupted vob, ie no sound, you may be having a unencrypting problem, try changing the the key-check settings in your ripper to every cell-id. If dvd quickbiulder is not recognizing the sound stream in your vob, then you are having a ripping problem.