vidomi

[decryptit]

i'm using vidomi encoder to convert an avi movie into .divx
the file is creted but when i play it only sound is heard.
I am using divx pro 5.1.1 (adware)and have all the filters installed.
i also used gspot and claimed that i am able to play the following file cause i have 4 codecs that are able to play it .
So what is the problem!

[techno]

try using an older version of the codec as well as the app. IMHO DIVX 3.11 alpha is better quality and lower file size - however that was IMO

try using an older version of vidomi and see what happens...

[decryptit]

Ok thankx but older versions od codecs usally are not better than the ones we have today and what is IMO

[techno]

not really :)

trust me, i do the testing and everything before i make a statement. if i find that there is even 1% of a problem somewhere in the picture or audio or whatever, i dismiss that and move on. :)

[decryptit]

ok so.But what is IMO

which codec do you feel its best at the moment.

[zx50]

I feel that Pro 5.0.5 is the best, that is after 5.0 because any earlier than that and my OS is'nt compatible with it.

[decryptit]

What is IMO.
What os do you have.

[zx50]

IMO/<b>I</b>n <b>M</b>y <b>O</b>pinion. And i have XP Home.

[hacker_on_fire]

Originally posted by decryptit
i'm using vidomi encoder to convert an avi movie into .divx
the file is creted but when i play it only sound is heard.
I am using divx pro 5.1.1 (adware)and have all the filters installed.
i also used gspot and claimed that i am able to play the following file cause i have 4 codecs that are able to play it .
So what is the problem!

try ffdshow:

http://www.divx-digest.com/software/ffdshow.html

[decryptit]

When i refered to filters i included ffdshow.

[decryptit]

zx50 how come its not compatible with your os its strange.

[decryptit]

IMHO DIVX 3.11 alpha

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[zx50]

Anything ealier than 5.0 (i think, either 5.0 or 5.1) anyway anything ealier than 5.0 and i just get the message that i'm installing a driver that has'nt been tested properly with XP.

P.S IMHO <b>I</b>n <b>M</b>y <b>H</b>onest <b>O</b>pinion

[hacker_on_fire]

Try it on another system that has only the basic software (DivX5.xx etc.. not ffdshow etc...). If it plays fine then its probably that your system has too many filters installed that may be conflicting with each other. In this case you need to give your system a spring clean.

If it doesn't play then open it in virtualdubMod to check if its been encoded properly. If not then you may need to encode it again.

[decryptit]

If you have a encoder,right and it has an aspet ratio setting
16:3 (Such as Gordian Knot)
4:3
etc You decide to set it to 4:3 (1)
etc

In your codec you decide to set it to 16:9 (2) (such as Divx)

How will your movie look like 16:9 or 4:3 .


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[zx50]

I'm not sure, have'nt tried it. But i think that the codec will override the aspect ratio setting, because when i have set the aspect ration in gordian knot to 640x352 it has always come out 640x360.

[hacker_on_fire]

I think programs like gordianknot will override the setting to give you a 4:3 aspect ratio as they also change the bitrate and other settings such a b frames etc..

[zx50]

Have you actually tried this, because like i say when i have encoded with gordian knot, it's the codec that overrided gordian knot's aspect ratio setting from 640x352 to 640x360.

[hacker_on_fire]

No as i set everything through gordianknot, and it always does that resolution.

[zx50]

It's just that i mean normally the DivX codec will override any aspect ration that you set for a program.

[decryptit]

So finally the codec is obeyed.

[hacker_on_fire]

I think both will resize at different times of the encoding process. I have checked and have the resolution box unticked in my codec settings (which i never even touch). Therefore i would just set it through your encoder, in this case vidomi instead of making things complicated and everything should be okay.

[zx50]

Right, to give you a definate answer on something, if you set the resolution in the encoder at say 640x352 and in the codec itself you set it to 448x256 then the second resolution is what you'll get. As for aspect ratios i have'nt got a clue because i have never tried it before.

[decryptit]

Don't talk about vidomi its seems that it is making up problems.
Instead using godian knot everything works fine.

One last thing guys, IF YOU INTEND to set your aspect ratio,
lastly the video will become according to the settings on your codec.No matter which encoder you try ,your codec is the one that decides most of the things that should be done.

I'v tryed this ouT :-)

By the way i have managed to a gain a fullscreen movie from a 4:3 ratio.The only thing is that the movie is a bit streched from the hight.But i think if i played on a widescreen t.v everything will be viewed fine ,what do you think.

[hacker_on_fire]

"By the way i have managed to a gain a fullscreen movie from a 4:3 ratio.The only thing is that the movie is a bit streched from the hight."

A 4:3 rip will take up all the screen on a 4:3 tv thus being fullscreen. If however played on a 16:9 it will have vertical bars on both sides unless its strecthed by the tv to fill the screen. If the SOURCE aspect ratio is 4:3 then the movie shouldn't be "streched from the hight". This should only happen if your source is widescreen (e.g. 16:9) and you change it to 4:3. But why would you do that if you tv is widescreen, as it would fill the screen better if you didn't change it.

To clear up:
What's the aspect ratio of your source (the file you want to rip)?
What's the apect ratio of your tv you want to play it on?

[zx50]

Correct me if i'm wrong decryptit, but do you think that because you are taking the black bars of that you are going to get better quality, because you are'nt. If you just want the black bars off then your t.v might adjust it to the right aspect ratio and put black bars on it anyway, so that's all that work for nothing (i don't know i'm just guessing). But as far as will it look okay, you'd better get somebody else to answer that question because like i said in my last post, i have'nt got a clue because i've never tried it before.

[hacker_on_fire]

"Correct me if i'm wrong decryptit, but do you think that because you are taking the black bars of that you are going to get better quality, because you are'nt."

Well it does leave more bitrate for the rest of the video, thus improving the the quality.

[zx50]

Have you tried this?

[hacker_on_fire]

Yes. I always remove the black bars. It makes sense?

[zx50]

And you get better quality? once you remove the black bars you don't add some more, so it's like if you have a film that's suposed to be 640x360 you have it 640x480, am i right.

[hacker_on_fire]

Why would i increase the vertical resolution? If i remove the horizontal black bars (if the source is widescreen), the vertical resolution would decrease.
I am not sure exactly what you mean?

[zx50]

Right, you get some DVD's that have black bars built into them like "t** one", now if you encode that exactly how it's meant to be then it would be 576x432 the same if you remove the black bars. But say if you wanted to have the film at 576x320, that would put black bars on again but instead of the film being a square when you opened it it would be oblong, are you with me? that's what i meant, if you don't add the black bars then you get a full screen picture like i said from 640x360 to 640x480.

[hacker_on_fire]

"it would be 576x432 the same if you remove the black bars"

If you remove the black bars then you will be left with the original aspect ratio (16:9 or the other anamorphic one) not 4:3 which is what you said (576x432 = 4:3).

This link may help:
http://www.doom9.org/aspectratios.htm

[zx50]

Okay i have'nt tried this so i'm not going to pursue this anyfurther for the moment. But within the next few days i'll encode a film like you said without the black bars <b>AND</b> without adding any and see what i'm left with, but i think that what i said is what i'll be left with, but i'll see anyway when it happens.

[decryptit]

Thats obviously my target and finally i managed to get rid of them.
I can play on any type of t.v , computer monitor etc and black bars
dissapear.The only thing is that when setting your codec to 4:3
instead of the 16:9 of your original movie the codec will just strech your movie and make it 4:3.Thats all.

Quality will remain the same and your file size won't change at all.

[decryptit]

hacker_on_fire
"Yes. I always remove the black bars. It makes sense?"

Of course it makes sense but if you have a 16:9 movie and you would like to see it without black bars ,how are you going to do that.(does every t.v let you view it full screen)

I tried removing black bars using my codec but the end result was just a streched movie.

[decryptit]

hacker_on_fire
"Why would i increase the vertical resolution? If i remove the horizontal black bars (if the source is widescreen), the vertical resolution would decrease.
I am not sure exactly what you mean?"

Perhaps a little confusing .k What i would like is that finally my end result is a movie without black bars,no quality loss and obviously without the whole movie being streched.

I've tryed it my way but it just resulted a streched movie.
I don't think that playing the 16:9 movie on a t.v can be set to 4:3.(divx movie)
What shall be done ?

[hacker_on_fire]

Of course it makes sense but if you have a 16:9 movie and you would like to see it without black bars ,how are you going to do that.(does every t.v let you view it full screen)

Nearly all tv's (the larger ones i am talking about e.g. 24" 28" 32"... NOT 14") should have a feature to Zoom or stretch the picture and take up the whole of the screen.

hacker_on_fire
"Why would i increase the vertical resolution? If i remove the horizontal black bars (if the source is widescreen), the vertical resolution would decrease.
I am not sure exactly what you mean?"


I mean if:

Movie 1 : 16:9
Black Bars: Yes
Aspect ratio: 4:3
Resolution: 576:432

Movie2: 16:9
Black Bars: No
Aspect Ratio: 16:9
Resolution: 576:324

As you can see, by just removing the vertical bars the vertical resolution decreases from 432 to 324.

What shall be done ?

A tv will always add black bars if the movie doesn't fill the screen naturally. I think the best thing would be to:

1) Remove the black bars in your rip to increase the quality of your movie.

2) Leave the resolution the same so the movie doesn't become strecthed permanetly. INSTEAD use your tv feature to make it fill the screen. This is better if you want to also take it around a friends house to play it their as they might have a widescreen tv thus fitting the screen fully but without being strecthed.

[decryptit]

1) Remove the black bars in your rip to increase the quality of your movie.

How do i have to remove he black bars manually or does the t.v remove them automatically.

[decryptit]

If manually how can i remove them.

[decryptit]

Are sure that t.v's are able to zoom your 16:9 movie and make it appear fullscreen (4:3).

From where can i set this feature.

[zx50]

Originally posted by decryptit


I tried removing black bars using my codec but the end result was just a streched movie.

I tried to tell you that, i thought that the characters would just be stretched.

[zx50]

Originally posted by decryptit

Are sure that t.v's are able to zoom your 16:9 movie and make it appear fullscreen (4:3).



Yes, but what hacker_onfire is on about is zooming in so you will miss a bit of the picture.

[hacker_on_fire]

"How do i have to remove he black bars manually or does the t.v remove them automatically."

Here i mean you have to CROP the video while you encode it. I am not familiar with Vidomi but in Gordian Knot its in the 'Resolution' tab.

"Are sure that t.v's are able to zoom your 16:9 movie and make it appear fullscreen (4:3).

From where can i set this feature."

Depends on your tv model and how old/new it is. I suggest looking in the manual that should have been supllied with your tv.

[decryptit]

Here i mean you have to CROP the video while you encode it. I am not familiar with Vidomi but in Gordian Knot its in the 'Resolution' tab

You will lose quality but.

[decryptit]

How can i crop a movie using the codec (is it possible)
How can i crop a movie using Gordian knot or autogk
What is th ebest way leaving the t.v do all the work and therfore removing the black bars or removing them on you own.

[hacker_on_fire]

You will only loose the black bars. The quality should increase as theirs more bitrate left for the actual video. Of course other settings have to be set properly.

[hacker_on_fire]

"How can i crop a movie using Gordian knot or autogk"

In the resolution tab press 'smart crop all'. You can tweak it untill all the black bars are removed if they are ot all gone, but this is usually not necessary.

"How can i crop a movie using the codec (is it possible)"

Its possible but i never ever set any settings through the codec. just leave it alone and make sure they are default settings.

"What is th ebest way leaving the t.v do all the work and therfore removing the black bars or removing them on you own."

Remove the black bars from your movie as they are unnecessary. If its a 4:3 tv (and movie is 16:9) then it will add its own black bars. To make it fill the whole screen you will have to zoom or use the pan/scan feature of the tv.

[zx50]

Originally posted by decryptit

You will lose quality but.

I don't think there is any other way that you can crop the video. Everything has to be done when your encoding the video.

[decryptit]

Not always your t.v may do that too.

[hacker_on_fire]

I know, but generally any recent tv should. I still think this option is much better then any other espicially if you're likely to watch it on more then one tv.

[decryptit]

Ok ,does realy the dvd ram increase quality more than other media such as -r.

[zx50]

Originally posted by decryptit

Ok ,does realy the dvd ram increase quality more than other media such as -r.



?????????? i don't understand what you mean. When you say ram, do you mean memory, or a disc. If you mean memory then no you will just gain more speed. The only thing that increases the quality is more bits.

[decryptit]

actally out there exist 4 types of media.

The blue laser optical disc
Dvd-ram
Dvd+r/rw
Dvd-r/rw

I've heard that burning media such as video on dvd ram discs may increase quality.

[zx50]

I have a DVD+/-rw, i don't know where you heard that from. Like i said as far as i know the only thing that will increase quality is more bit's. Look tell you what, have you tried using b-frames, they do wonders, do about 4 to 6 passes (only if you need the quality though) and then take a look at it. But decryptit, you'll never acheive DVD quality, you'll get near but not actual DVD quality because DivX is lossy so no matter what you do there will still always be something missing when it comes to quality.

P.S i really don't know where you heard that putting the film on a certain disc increases quality, you are basically just burning it onto a disc and nothing more, but anyway try b-frames and if you use b-frames then that's about the only maximum quality you will get.

[decryptit]

What do mean you using b-frames.

[hacker_on_fire]

"I've heard that burning media such as video on dvd ram discs may increase quality."

No they still use the mpeg2 format so share the same quality. As far as i am aware they don't work in standalone dvd players i.e. ones in your living room, so are not designed for films as much in mind. But they are good for high capacity storage, where you want to re-write many times and have a better more relaxed structure. Also they last longer then other formats, about 100 times as long as +/- (lifetime = 1,000 writes). They are like mini hard drives. They are used in panasonics standalone dvd recorders (for the living room).

[decryptit]

hacker_on_fire

When you select smart crop all in gordian knot will the end result look without the black bars.

[hacker_on_fire]

98% of the time. They may be the odd time (2%) when its gets rid of all the black bars apart from several lines (e.g. of size 640x3). This is when you tweak it yourself so you only have the film.

[zx50]

Originally posted by decryptit

What do mean you using b-frames.



I think you are using DivX 3 are'nt you? well if you are using the latest version 5.1.1 (has to be pro though) then where it says profiles click the button next to the box and then click the "next" button and there you will see the feature b-frames. The best i know about these are when you are encoding if you have any blocks in your film (through lack of bits) then use b-frames and it will get rid of these blocks by filling them with bits (without upping the bitrate) and because of this your film will look better.

[decryptit]

what resolutions do you recommend for a hq movie.

[decryptit]

I'm trying to rip a movie at 800x600 at 30fps would the movie look good or can i put a better resolution.

What will happen if i increase the frame rate

[zx50]

You can have what resolution you want. Personally i just stick to 512x384.

P.S as long as you have enough bit's in the picture to get rid of blocks.

[decryptit]

But having the resoltion at 800X600 it will increase quality.Right.

Will that effect the movie's aspect ratio.

[zx50]

If you want the resolution at the same as the dvd then have it at 720x400.

[decryptit]

720x576 <--------- Actually this is the dvd's resolution.

[zx50]

Actually if you only count the picture and not the black bars, then like i said 720x400 :D

[decryptit]

You must count everything since a dvd is sorted like that (with all black bars etc)

[zx50]

Yes some DVD's are 720x576 with the black bars built in, and some are 720x576 without. I am so particular when it comes to encoding films, but i just have mine at 512x384. If i was you i would just go for a 1:1 copy because you seem to want quality that you can't get.

P.S DivX is lossy, you are'nt going to acheive perfect results. Great looking yes, perfect no.

[decryptit]

If i was you i would just go for a 1:1 copy because you seem to want quality that you can't get.

I f already gor some good quality but eventually i'm targetting for better quality using various tools and compressors which might be usefull.

[zx50]

I know this is the DivX section, but have you tried XviD <a href="http://koepi.roeder.goe.net/xvid.shtml"target="_"blank"> the latest release</a>, if not then give it a shot and see what you think. If you encoding with gordian knot then avoid the 640x352 mark because to me 352 does'nt look quite right, the others do but that one does'nt. Also try with quarter pixel as well. Thing is with XviD it keeps the detail at all bitrates while DivX does'nt. Done a film and it finished encoding this morning <b><ins>19</b></ins> hours and it did'nt have the same quality as XviD's. The bitrate was 688kbps and while XviD's played nice and clear through WMP9 DivX's did'nt , looked great though but not as detailed as XviD's. Shame really because i would have liked to stick with DivX but i have to go with the better looking one. And it's a lot faster as well

[decryptit]

Good for you personnaly i find divx with lots of features which making use of them might give you pleasent results.
Xvid is good though it still needs some work.

[decryptit]

Have you ever tried enbling these features in the divx codec pro
GMC
Quater pixel

I don't have them highlighted therfore i can't even enable them.
Whats on

[decryptit]

Eventually i've tried something ,I've you decide to disble your profile the
GMC
&
Quater pixel
Will be enabled
But what about b-frames i think that you have to manually select a profile in order to enable them .

Don't you think that.

[hacker_on_fire]

I personally don't use DivX but recommend going to the divx offical site where all its features are explained, so you can then experiment yourself and maybe report back.

[zx50]

Originally posted by decryptit

But what about b-frames i think that you have to manually select a profile in order to enable them .

Don't you think that.

You don't have to enable profiles to use b-frames. You can select them without having the profiles if you want. B-frames are selectable with or without profiles. And on the subject of XviD, it has 2 thing's going for it. a) great quality even at lower bitrates b) great speed. It encoded better than DivX in 3:30mins. But people have their own tastes, if you like DivX that's fine , but XviD only has about a couple of features that need work on and that's it, so it's not really a case of only half done.

P.S i think that the people who make XviD are geniuses, and really think about what the people want.

[hacker_on_fire]

I agree. Just look at the pace it's increasing at. It's just a matter of time before it overtakes DivX. Its definetly the future, no doubt about it.

[decryptit]

I have selected ac3 as my primary audio channel it encoded well
but each time i play the sound is very crappy.I have ac3 filter installed so whats the problem.

[decryptit]

Originally posted by zx50

You don't have to enable profiles to use b-frames. You can select them without having the profiles if you want. B-frames are selectable with or without profiles. And on the subject of XviD, it has 2 thing's going for it. a) great quality even at lower bitrates b) great speed. It encoded better than DivX in 3:30mins. But people have their own tastes, if you like DivX that's fine , but XviD only has about a couple of features that need work on and that's it, so it's not really a case of only half done.

So how am i going to enable quater pixel and gmc since they are not highlighted.

[hacker_on_fire]

Originally posted by decryptit
I have selected ac3 as my primary audio channel it encoded well
but each time i play the sound is very crappy.I have ac3 filter installed so whats the problem.

You might have a conflicting codec which is ACTUALLY playing the audio, in which case you need to uninstall it to let ac3 filter play it. What's your computer spec?

[zx50]

Originally posted by decryptit

So how am i going to enable quater pixel and gmc since they are not highlighted.



Because you have the profiles enabled. Disable the profiles and you will find that you can choose them.

[decryptit]

hacker_on_fire

You might have a conflicting codec which is ACTUALLY playing the audio, in which case you need to uninstall it to let ac3 filter play it. What's your computer spec



Are you telling me to uninstall the codec.

[decryptit]

Hey guys i've used the new xvid codec but the result was
no video and the file size was only 140 mb ????
I actually set it to 700mb


I have all filters installed ,gspot says that i have appropriate codecs for playback.Rendering fails whilst using it in gspot.

Whats on
look at the following attachments:
One of them is displayed in the begining telling about the vbr.
After a short playback without video and with sound vdm crashes.

[zx50]

Is this in the target filesize box, if so then you should only put the video only size in there and NOT the actual filesize that you want.

[hacker_on_fire]

"Are you telling me to uninstall the codec."

No. uninstall any filters apart from 'AC3 filter' that play ac3 files. This makes sure only ac3 filter plays the file.

[decryptit]

and which filters can be apart ac3 filter.

[decryptit]

zx50
The problem is that not only the size is small but no video is actally seen.

[hacker_on_fire]

"and which filters can be apart ac3 filter."

i am not sure how to check (you should know which ones you installed), but you could play the file in windows media player classic then right click and see what filters are being used.

[zx50]

Originally posted by decryptit

zx50
The problem is that not only the size is small but no video is actally seen.



I know this, but you said that you set it to 700mb. And like i said you should only put the video only size in the "target filesize" box. That's just what i was reffering to.

P.S or when you said that did you mean an encoder like gordian knot or something like that anyway.

[decryptit]

I know this, but you said that you set it to 700mb. And like i said you should only put the video only size in the "target filesize" box. That's just what i was reffering to.


Which "target filesize" are you talking about
the one in gk or what.IS it inside the xvid encoder ???

[zx50]

??????????? inside the XviD codec.

P.S XviD is not an encoder.

[decryptit]

zx50

Ok then if you mean in gk then i have already tried it and instead of 700mb i still got only 300mb.???????


No video at all

Look at the this:
Is this where you mean

[decryptit]

hacker_on_fire
I have tried the smart crop all option but it doesn't always work
is there any other option for removing blackbars using gk.

Changing the aspect ratiop and putting it to 4:3 would that remove blackbars.

[hacker_on_fire]

Only crop will remove the black bars. After selecting smart crop all you should adjust it manually, utill they are fully gone. I suggest reading UncasMS's guide as it has good explanations with pictures.

[zx50]

Look decryptit, tell me the steps that you do in gordian knot after you open the dv2av file.

P.S and don't leave a single step out.

[decryptit]

After selecting smart crop all you should adjust it manually, utill they are fully gone.

What should you adjust i mean all you need to do is just select smart crop all.What else.

[zx50]

If you want to make sure that you get the black bars of then use DVDx, where it says zoom in the output setting's select custom, and then play around with the lines (as i put it) and then once you have them inplace just type in the resolution box 640x480 or whatever you want as the resolution. It seems as if gordian knot is'nt working too well for you.

[decryptit]

Zooming is different from cropping (using zooming usually you will loose quality).Using cropping is a different story and i tent to use
gk since its rich of options.the only thing is that this cropping feature is not working well for all my dvd's.

If i had to zoom i could do it directly form my decoder.

[decryptit]

zx50 what about the xvid thing
is that the right place (see attachment) for setting up file size.

[zx50]

I've used DVDx for ages, it's cropping take it from me. Anyway, i've had a look at the attatchment and yeah it's right enough. But what's that 650mb you have in that box, i always have 700 in there. Right i'll tell you the steps that i take for 700mb. I open the dv2av file and then hit save and encode, i then choose my filter and deinterlacing filter (if needed) then i press save and a pop up comes i then check the circle multi pass then i press the first pass button tinker with the settings in the codec and then when finished i check the nth pass circle then i press the 2nd pass button and then again tinker with the setting's. Sorry before all this i select the option for the sound, choose MP3 paramaters and i select heavy (tried all the others, were'nt powerful enough) then after i have done the codec settings and the sound settings i hit the encode button. It will ask you if you want the job done now, and i click on yes. There that's exactly what i do, if you are doing it like that and still only getting 350mb then i'm baffled.

P.S i forgot, with gordian knot, it sets the video only size in the XviD codec automatically.

[decryptit]

Hey i've used dvdx some time ago buts its crap,comapring it to gk
It has options but not as good as gk's.

[decryptit]

P.S i forgot, with gordian knot, it sets the video only size in the XviD codec automatically.

What do you mean by this do i have to set it from the xvid codec.If so where do i have to go.

i tjink that i have a conflict thats all.

[zx50]

I mean just that, all you have to do is go through the steps in gordian knot and hit the encode button at the finish. When you open the dv2av file you will see a screen come up and then when you hit the save and encode button you will see another pop up come and then like i said after you have chosen your filter and everything and then again hit the save button, it's at this point that gordian knot adjusts the bitrate in the encoder. You don't have to touch the bitrate at all in the codec.

[decryptit]

I know that but i thought there was something to set up in xvid
such as the bitrate.

[hacker_on_fire]

You set nothing in the xvid codec. Just leave that to the default settings.

"What should you adjust i mean all you need to do is just select smart crop all.What else."

First open your avs.
Then set you other settings. In the resolution tab select the correct "input resolution" and "aspect ratio". THEN click "auto crop". If needed adjust the height or width with the 'arrows' which are located above where it says "width x Height".

Read uncasms's guide!!

[decryptit]

I've read uncas ms guides
And it said you eighter can set Smart crop all or if the black bars
still appear use the pixel option.

I've tried that out but removing the black bars instead appeared
white bars (sort of) is that normal and will the video appear without bb after encoding.

[decryptit]

If needed adjust the height or width with the 'arrows' which are located above where it says "width x Height".

What do you suggest for heigth ans width and will that (remove blackbars) because normally i leave it at 640w 368h.

[zx50]

No wonder something went wrong , because you still had the widescreen resolution. try smart crop or the pixel crop again but this time have the type of your video in gordian knot as non anaphormic (4:3). and for the resolution then have something square like 640x480, 576x432, ect...

[hacker_on_fire]

I would not recommend what zx50 said above as this will stretch the video permanently. Instead use the player to stretch it for you or your tv.

"I've read uncas ms guides
And it said you eighter can set Smart crop all or if the black bars
still appear use the pixel option.

I've tried that out but removing the black bars instead appeared
white bars (sort of) is that normal and will the video appear without bb after encoding."

I answered your problem in your other thread when you said i was wrong:

"I am right, you can get rid of black bars. The problem you have is when the player sizes it to full screen AND keeps the aspect ratio thus putting it's own black bars. If you don't believe me you should use smart crop all as i said and adjust for perfection and then open the encoded file in virtualdubmod.

Edit:

If you want the video to fill the whole screen when zoom'd to full screen you need to make sure the player doesn't preserve the aspect ratio. Note this will strech the picture."

[decryptit]

I answered your problem in your other thread when you said i was wrong:

"I am right, you can get rid of black bars. The problem you have is when the player sizes it to full screen AND keeps the aspect ratio thus putting it's own black bars. If you don't believe me you should use smart crop all as i said and adjust for perfection and then open the encoded file in virtualdubmod.

Ok then but how come blackbars still appear in gk's prewiew window.

And what res what you suggest??

[zx50]

Look hacker_on_fire, decryptit has said that he wants rid of the black bars. This is the only way that he can get rid of them. If he wants a resolution without the black bars then he should do as i say. Me personally, i'm baffled as to why he wants to take the black bars away in the first place, but still....decryptit is saying that he crops the black bars and then puts blackbars on again by having that resolution (i know that he said that he wants the black bars off, but having that resolution amounts to the same thing).

P.S i'm baffled by decryptit's encoding anyway.

[decryptit]

Your'e mixing up things.
cause hacker on fire said thatt its possible to get rid of them having the same res an perhaps beter quality at the same time.

And i agree with him the only thing is that the smart crop all thing
has not always worked.

If i do what you said and believe me i already tried it both using gk and the codec the end result willl be streched movie.

Don't believe try it out!

[decryptit]

hacker_on_fire


You must be keeping the aspect ratio the same (in the player NOT when encoding), otherwise the player would make it fill the whole screen when you put it to full screen.

I'll make it simple as possible .ok

1.Set the aspect ratio to 4:3 anamorphic. PAL/NTSC
2.The resolution 756*520 (codec) not gk
3.SET TO SMART CROP ALL
4.played using power dvd TICKED THE OPTION -"Keep Aspect Ratio"
5.Black bars appeared.
6.Unticked "keep aspect ratio"and ticked "PAN SCAN" and the movie got streched.

?????

[hacker_on_fire]

I understand what you say zx50, but he can get rid of them by cropping (you'll see the bars gone in gknots preview) and then stretch it (pan and scan) using the player. Theirs no doubt your way's easier as it's permanent and you dont need to mess around with the player. But in my preferance my method will give better quality while having the option to strecth the video or not all the time. I am also baffed about decryptit encoding :o)


"Ok then but how come blackbars still appear in gk's prewiew window."

Post a pic please. This is very easy, but you seemed to be very confused.

"And what res what you suggest??"

Different on each movie. Also depends also the bitrate available. Usually though 640xXXX (for widescreen) or 512xXX (for fullscreen i.e. 4:3 aspect ratio)

[decryptit]

I'll post a preview don't worry.

[zx50]

If decryptit wants to just crop the black bars off to improve the picture but still have a widescreen resolution then i can understand that. But in other posts decryptit has been going on about taking the black bars off and having it 4:3, i mean what's that all about??

[hacker_on_fire]

Very confusing indeed.

"I'll post a preview don't worry."

Don't forget to include your settings aswell in the same screenshot.

[decryptit]

Yeah don't worry il'll put them aswell.

[decryptit]

Hey what does quality depend on most
On the RESOLTION or FrameRATE.
What happens if you choose a high resolution and a low framerate.

[hacker_on_fire]

the less frames per second the less smooth the video will play.
if you have a high resolution you need a higher bitrate to get the same quality with a lower resolution.

[decryptit]

higher bitrate

What do you mean by that ?

I think its obvious that the more the resolution the more the bitrate will increase.

[hacker_on_fire]

it won't increase by itself. this is usually set depending on the desired file size and length of the movie e.g. 700mb for 1.5hr movie.

So when you increase resolution the bitrate is more spread out thus the reduced quality.

[zx50]

hacker_on_fire is right, the codec will not will not automatically increase the bitrate (unless you specify a filesize with gordian knot) but apart from that no. If you are encoding it manually then you yourself will have to increase the bitrate, but like i said if you are encoding it with gordian knot and say specify a filesize of 1.3gb then gordian knot will upp the bitrate to meet that filesize and therefore you will have better quality. But there is no way that you can have a bigger resolution and keep the same quality. You might be able to have something at say 512x288 and then up the resolution to say 704x384, it still might look great but it won't look as good as the 512x288 why?? because the codec does'nt have to do much of a job by spreading the bitrate around, whereas with the 704x384 the codec has more work on it's hands because the area is now larger than the 512x288.

[decryptit]

Yeah, i got that eventually ,when increasing the filesize you are increasing the bitrate itself and also the resoltution you've set thus having more quality.IS That right.

[hacker_on_fire]

yep...that's right (in gordian know...it calculates the bitrate accrording to the desired file size)

[decryptit]

OK then by the way i still haven't forgot the cropping thing.
I'll make it avalible as soon as possible.

[decryptit]

Is there a way of checking my final bitrate before encoding?

Is 700 good for a 2hr movie.

[hacker_on_fire]

In gordian it's the the bitrate tab under 'average bitrate'.

"Is 700 good for a 2hr movie"

Depends on the movie. Look at the figure you get after the compressability test.

[zx50]

The compressibility test is a load of B******S, i encoded something at 512x288 and according to gordian knot the maximum i could have was 480x256. Yet the 512x288 was better than the 480.

[hacker_on_fire]

Its not ment to be perfect, just suppose to give you a close to accurate estimate....but its not worked this one time that dont make it rubbish.

[decryptit]

Is there a way of checking my final bitrate before encoding?

[decryptit]

Gordian Knot not cropping.

[hacker_on_fire]

Thats not gordian knots preview window? it looks like you have played it in a player? I need to see Gknot's preview window.

btw, your suppose to click 'Autocrop' first and then smartcrop.

[decryptit]

Ok then of you don't believe that window i'll show you the whole
details.