1 Cd Rips

[ZeReaper]

I've worked out how to get 1 cd rips at around the same quality as dominion, only done 1 so far, the Mummy Returns which has quite alot of detail so I was surprised, there is no blockyness or anything, only question is, what is a good way to add the mp3 file to the avi. This is the first time I have not processed the sound with the avi so dont think im completely stupid, just a little, heres the specs of the movie

I did it in 512x224 res because thats a size I like, got a problem, speak up

I used the divx 5 pro codec because it seemed to work fine and gave good image with good compression

25 FPS cause it is a PAL dvd

124 total running time, i did not cut out the credits or the universal introduction to reduce file size

8638 key frams in total

any other info wanted, just post

So if someone could tell me a good reliable way to combine my movie file with the mp3 file then it would be much appreciated, oh I just remembered,

The size of the movie completed using flaskmpeg 0.6 is 626MB but then I use a filter so smooth over any rough edges that I think enhances the look of the movie but unless you sit 2 cm from the screen you cant really notice it anyway, but this also reduces the file size as well to about 6/7 of original size, any questions, ask away

[setarip]

"So if someone could tell me a good reliable way to combine my movie file with the mp3 file"

Nandub...

[Enchanter]

Was the resizing done using bilinear or bicubic?

I might want to add something in here as well. I'm a Nandub user (and hence 3.11a). Nandub has an option to set what bitrate will be used after a certain frame, which is a good and handy thing to lower the bitrate of the end credits. The guide indicates using no less than 100 for the bitrate, but I've used 50 and I don't see any problems with it. The end credits will almost be unreadable of course, but I tend to listen more to the ending song than reading these texts. Of course, this does not quite work well with Jacky Chan's movies (You know what I'm talking about, right?) :)

For interleaving the movie and the sound, you should be able to find plenty of guides around. I'm just sick of retyping this subject over and over again. :P

A few last pointers. Have you made sure that the remaining space you have (700-626MB) is enough for the audio? I would use 128kbit MP3. Anything lower is harsh to my ears. :) Also, was the encoding done using 1-pass or 2-pass method?

[ZeReaper]

Enchanter I used the 2 pass method, it takes my computer just a little bit longer then the length of the movie to do each pass

Resizing, I cannot tell you which method I used, only how I did it, I used flaskMPEG and in the outpad I merely resized

The audio mp3 I have got is 130MB and after I run the filter on the 630MB file I will have ample space to insert it into the movie

[Enchanter]

after I run the filter on the 630MB file I will have ample space to insert it into the movie

I thought you used the smoother filter during the conversion into the 626MB movie? I wouldn't recommend you to reencode the movie any further as with each step of encoding, you are degrading the quality only further.

If you're still planning to use the smoother filter (which really isn't necessary because most DVD movies have good to excellent quality already), you should use Virtual/Nandub for the encoding process. It is harder than Flask indeed, but generally, you get more tweaking options, which can't be bad.

Back to your current situation, the audio file you have is rather too large to make a 700MB complete movie. The only choice left is to encode the audio into a lower bitrate audio (yucks!) or cut away the end credits (which I don't think will solve the problem as you need that much more space than this method can provide). If I were you, I would reencode the movie and try to get a smaller filesize. :)

[ZeReaper]

Ok heres what I did

Smartripper - Self Explanatory

FlaskMPEG - 2 Pass divx 5 codec extract ac3 file

ac3tool to make mp3

now I will use virtualdub to run the smooth filter over the movie which will remove about 60MB of data, I checked it out and compared the two and it looks better, if want i can send you 2 test files to look at if you like

[Enchanter]

And how did you compress the video after applying the smoother filter?

[ZeReaper]

Still using virtualdub after I apply the filter I choose compress then do the 1 pass divx5 codec with all settings the same, ensuring the bitrate is not lower then original setting

[ZeReaper]

Hang on a second, Enchanter your right, the quality has degraded, it is pretty hard to notice but in the scenes that reach around 2000 bitrate it looks a little cruddy, any way to overcome this?

[Enchanter]

As I mentioned to you, there's no point in encoding 2-pass if you're going to reencode it in 1-pass. I don't recommend you to use smoother filter anyway. Just reencode your movie so that you can get a smaller video file and be able to fit your audio into it.

What is the length of the movie anyway? If it is longer than 2 hours, the resolution you have decided to use is recommended. If it is around the 90 minutes mark or lower, a 640x() resolution will be good. :) Basically, it depends on what bitrate you're using.

[ZeReaper]

The movie is 124 minutes, as this is my first attempt at a 1 cd rip I think it is quite well, i am doing one last thing, im reencoding the mp3 at 96kbps and if that gives me enough room i'll leave the movie as is and see how that goes, other wise i'll re-encode, i encoded the original movie at 700 bit-rate

[Enchanter]

I think it would be better to reencode the movie at a slightly lower bitrate and use an audio bitrate of 128kbps. 700 is still high enough for 1CD rip. I have had to use 550 for some of my long movie rips. That's what I call challenging. :evilaugh:

[tcb121]

1 CD rips over 100 mins are tough to get at high quality. However, in Flask as long as you are using the 2 pass method you can get "watchable" results with the bitrate set to 700 or above. Anything lower then 700, and its just not worth putting on 1 CD. I have had good luck with settings above 850. Hope this information helps. Enchanter, when you encoded in 550, were you using nandub, and how were the results? If they came out good let me know, cause I'll give it a shot on some of my movies that I want on 1 CD.

[Enchanter]

I am a primarily Nandub user. No other results from other methods can match it.

550 is indeed very low. The reason why my Anna & The King 1CD rip looks good still (Not DVD quality, of course) is most probably because the movie is not an action type and hence I can make do with a low bitrate. I'll be doing a Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace shortly. However, I doubt I can ever get any good quality on 1 CD this time...

[Ndb]

:confused:

Well I need to be enlightened here.

Why split the audio with Flask then re-encode it ? why not just let Flask stick it straight into the avi at encode time, I always find the movie size is smaller this way than if say I use DVD2AVI then mux it with V-Dub later. If it's just to up the volume you can just direct stream the video and process the audio anyway. Plus the audio is 100% in sync no matter what.

If it actually makes the quality any better this way then I must be blind, as I have never noticed it looking any better splitting the audio then muxing it, than decoding the audio and video as one.

If you going to go to those lengths why not just use G-Knot & V-Dub etc ? (nandub is old in the tooth).

I need a double whack :smashead: :smashead:

[Enchanter]

Why split the audio with Flask then re-encode it ?

The simple answer is so that you can edit the video in whatever way you want (eg. Increase volume, change to MP3 track of a desired bitrate, etc.). Also, in my experience, letting Flask encode the audio often results in rather unsatisfactory audio quality (I can't quite explain what I'm hearing here). Also, Flask does not seem able to quite perfectly extract DVD audio. The audio very often needs dynamic compression. My method of using Graphedit and then editing it in various ways until I get an MP3 soundtrack of a desired quality works well enough for me.

Nandub getting old in the tooth? It still works better than the younger generation of Virtualdubs in terms of quality and encoding control. :)

[techno]

U can say that again my friend Enchanter, I agree with you!

I have a question for you Enchanter:

I am a fast motion lover (codec) It gives me NEAR DVD quality results (Hard to believe I know, I have broken the "world record" for this)

If I use nandub and set the file size to, let's say, 13MB for 3 and a half min video and audio = 128 44100Hz MP3.

In the SBC settings, the "switch FM dll..." is set to 200 and the rest is left alone. I choose MSMPEG4 v2 and do a 2pass. Ok it works, but the quality is shocking!

If I do the same thing but with fast motion, the quality is 20 times better!

Why is this? I thought Nandub was suppose to improve the quality than fast motion in a 2pass? HELP!

Techno

[Enchanter]

If you want to tell Nandub to use FM all the time, just set both sliders all the way to the left.

Here's an extract from Doom9's guide:
The main difference between DivX Low motion and DivX Fast motion is the hardcoded compression settings. Fast Motion basically has a hardcoded DRF minimum of 7 and goes up till 16 whereas Low motion can go up till 2. Fast motion might be a bit better at motion detection but the difference is hardly notable. So in fact you can safely set the Fast Motion slider to 300 and only work with the DRF settings. Or for instance you could use DRF 7-16 for motion over 280 which achieves the same as having the motion switch (from Low Motion to Fast Motion) at 280 in the motion detection box.

p.s. I basically use 2-8 for my min/max DRF settings, sometimes a different one just for the sake of wanting to do it. :)

[techno]

Thanks for that! It is greatly appreciated!

But what I am really asking is that, why is fast motion better than low motion when doing a 2pass in nandub?

Techno

[Enchanter]

I don't use FM anyway. :) I try to preserve as much detail as possible. :)

As to which is better, it's a very subjective question, though most would agree that low-motion is better because it does not discard too much details compared to fast-motion. But if you really find that fast-motion is better, then use it. :) There is freedom of speech and choice after all. :angelgrn:

[techno]

I do agree that low motion is better! No doubt but the way I do my vids, fast motion is just the same as low motion, in terms of detial and lower file size which is great for me!

Thanks Enchanter!

:)

Techno

[bzhk]

Enchanter,

I just did The Phantom Menace on 1 CD using DivX 5.0 Pro 2-pass mode (w/ 128 Mp3 audio) and it doesnt look half bad, even on the fast scenes (i.e. the pod racing scene). I set the bitrate at about 582 with a resolution of 640x272. Give her a wirl, its not too too bad at all.

--bzhk

[Enchanter]

Yup. This movie turns out to be very easy to encode and compress really. I actually used a bitrate of 550 only and a resolution of 544x224. Too high a resolution often leads to noise and picture warming, which really is bad. In my case, the video was clean and macroblocks were not found anywhere in the rip. :)

p.s. The highest usage of bitrate is the battle scene between the droid army and the 'whatever-lizard-like' creatures, especially when they have just physically entered the shield dome. The racing scenes, in contrast, don't use that much bitrate and require probably only a quarter or half of that for the battle scenes.

[Ndb]

You can up the volume etc with the the audio already encoded with the video, well I've never had any trouble. If I want to save the audio seperate, I really would not use Flask for the job. I'd use something like DVD2AVI myself.

But then again I do loads of things that others may not :) and so many people have sync probs when muxing the audio and video at a later stage. I've just been lucky and never had sync problems, so I'll stick to this way for now.

[Enchanter]

Was there a discussion regarding the audio in this thread before? What exactly do you mean? :confused:

I usually use Cooledit or Virtualdub to get my audio jobs done anyway.

[Ndb]

Originally posted by Enchanter
Why split the audio with Flask then re-encode it ?

The simple answer is so that you can edit the video in whatever way you want (eg. Increase volume, change to MP3 track of a desired bitrate, etc.). Also, in my experience, letting Flask encode the audio often results in rather unsatisfactory audio quality (I can't quite explain what I'm hearing here). Also, Flask does not seem able to quite perfectly extract DVD audio. The audio very often needs dynamic compression. My method of using Graphedit and then editing it in various ways until I get an MP3 soundtrack of a desired quality works well enough for me.

Nandub getting old in the tooth? It still works better than the younger generation of Virtualdubs in terms of quality and encoding control. :)

:smashead:

[Enchanter]

Ahh, right. :) Must be the lack of sleep because of yesterday's work. Can't think straight. :smashead:

[Ndb]

I know how you feel :)

[techno]

Tell me about it!

BTW

does anyone know where I can download ALI the movie on VCD?

I can't find it on imesh, or grokester or kazaa

any ideas?

Techno

[Ndb]

I use LimeWire, so will get worse than you. (I use LW because I like to keep my FireWall on)