The Matrix: Revolutions hangs with HC Encoder

[nsw2200]

I uses DVD Rebuilder with HC Encoder 0.15A to back up The Matrix: Revolutions, main movie only.

The quality is extremely fine compared to QuEnc. The fighting scene in the Logos with the light flashing continuously, HC Encoder shows no macro blocks while QuEnc shows macro blocks in some frames.

However, at the middle of this scene, the DVD starts to stutter and then hangs, like pausing. Fast forward and the DVD continues to play.

I tried this on my PC and it played OK (my DVD player is Pioneer DV-563A). I tried burning with 2x and still had the problem.

Is this a known issue? Any idea how to fix it?

Thanks a lot for your help.

[UncasMS]

hmmm sounds a little familiar to me, though i dont think that it is the encoder, that is to blame but rather the multiangle/ilvu source

i do have experienced exactly the same behaviour with aliens quadrilogy and the director's cut edition (not the theatrical ones) in thoses dvds

you could try another encoder like cce or procoder but i think it is rebuilder that is responsible


which version did you use?
did you preprocess your data?


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on the other hand 015A is said to have minor flaws

maybe you should try 015 against it

[nsw2200]

Thanks very much for the information.

I used DVD Rebuilder 0.93 with HC Encoder 0.15A. I just got DVD Rebuilder 0.94 with HC Encoder 0.15. Will try to see if it fixes the problem.

[UncasMS]

good luck, msw2200 and let us know how you get on

in case of failure, pls attach a log

[hank315]

In fact it is a bug in HC which was introduced in HC015.
All software decoders and most HW-players will play it without any problem but some HW-players (some Philips, Koss and Pioneer types) don't like it.
It is solved in the next HC016 release, a test version of it, which can be used with DVD-RB, will be released very soon.

[UncasMS]

hi hank

nice to see you here!
:partytime

hope to hear from you soon
(via mail ;) )

[2COOL]

Welcome to the forum hank315!

@all

If you don't know who hank315 is, he is the author of HC Encoder. Glad to have another developer amongst this community.

:bowing:

[blutach]

Whoa! Hi Hank. Welcome :bow:

Regards

[UncasMS]

actually the problems i was talking about can NOT be related to hc015, because i also used cce and procoder and all output resulted in the very same mistake

[Sophocles]

I had a similar problem back in May with version .91 with the movie "Closer" when backing in movie only mode. I replicated the problem several times and then I sent a message to jdobbs and this was his reply.

Ok. I tested it and know what this is. I'll work on it today. I'd overlooked the handling of IFO portion of multiple angles when doing movie-only mode. The skipping and sound glitches are caused by segments of the movie that are multiangled switching back-and-forth.

If you find a problem that can be replicated let jdobbs and Hank if you're using the HC encoder know, it helps us all.

[UncasMS]

i reported about my alien quadrilogy problems and for the time being there is no cure

[Sophocles]

I'll check with some members at DVD Hounds and zentarium.com and see if they've experienced a similar problem with the same DVD set.

Do you have any additional info that could help?

[UncasMS]

additional info:

r2 aliien quadrilogy set

multianlge- ilvu source

encoded with rb 1.0 rc 5.1 hc015/cce270/procoder2

all encoded material freezes at some point or another in the DIRECTOR'S CUR (not theatrical version)

shrink transcoded material runs but isnt my idea of a decent backup

[Sophocles]

Thanks, I've posted the info. Since it's Friday the response might be a bit slow.

[blutach]

Is it a muxing problem an IFO problem or both? Does anyone know?

If an IFO problem - a mock strip might help.
If a VOB problem - a demux and remux with muxman might help.

Give it a try.

Regards

[Sophocles]

I don't think that it's a muxing problem, I think that it's likely to be an ILUV problem. In the past I corrected them using DVDremake but RB has comes so far and that's not needed as often.



UncasMS

Did you try Remake?

[blutach]

Well, the Interleave is part of the mux. And bitrates come into play as it's easy to go over the 9.8 Mbps video max (and 10.08 Mbps total) if there's lots of angles.

Regards

[UncasMS]

i have read the reply concerning dvdremake

as i dont have it, i didnt test if this might be the cure for my problems

will get back to your other suggestions later today


thanx so far

[Sophocles]

DVDremake won't cure your problem if you have a desire to keep the extra angles but if you don't care, then DVDremake will strip the extra angles while leaving the movie in tact and then RB can encode them.

[UncasMS]

getting rid of the multiangle would be possible in numerous ways and indeed that was not my intention

[Sophocles]

I'll obtain a copy of the Alien quadrilogy and give it a go. I find that multi angles rarely add anything to the movie but then more often than not I prefer movie only back ups with the menu.

[UncasMS]

the rc1 versions seems to behave different

jdobbs owns it and successfully backed it up

[Sophocles]

What's the difference between the RC1 and RC2 versions that would make one more compatible than the other?

[nsw2200]

I tried again with HC Encoder 0.15 (comes with new version of DVD Rebuilder) and no hanging now with Matrix Revolutions.

I forgot to check which matrix was used (the first copy with issues was done with QLB matrix), so it could be either:
- HC Encoder
- The matrix used
- DVD Rebuilder (0.94 vs 0.93).

Anyway it's working for me now :) Thanks for the information.

[UncasMS]

@ sophocles

i wouldnt know what the difference might be and i ahvent had the time to doublecheck if my backups might run on a different player

i tried all four titles so far, used 3 different encoders, 2 different types of media and no success and i have not one single dvd that does not run on my player

[UncasMS]

i still have no idea what really caused the freezes when playing back those titles on my standalone but my solution was this:

having had the final material created by rebuilder (no mater which encoder was used - tried hc015/016/cce250/cce270/procoder) all i did was loading the 4.5gb into shrink and had it saved once more

very small portions were removed by shrink (a couple kb) and that was it

all 4 alien dvd now run perfectly fine with each of them containing director's cut/special edition + theatrical version

[Sophocles]

Yes, I've used Shrink many times to get over a frustrating backup, it makes subtle changes just as you stated that seems to make a file DVD compliant even using zero compression. It also however seems to have the softening effect on the video which is a small price compared to nothing.