My Sound is not working...

[katzdvd]

It seems like one thing after another with this dang pc :mad:

I am working with a fresh install of xp, although this problem also occurred before the reformat;

I have no sound of any kind - no wave, mp3, even system sounds; it will work sometimes, & sometimes not. I have tried 2 different sets of speakers, they are fine. I have tried switching back & forth between the onboard sound & the pci sound card, makes no difference.

Previously I was thinking that my son's games were "breaking" it, but now after reformat, they are not installed, so that can't be the problem. Everything looks ok in dev. manager, don't know where else to look.

I saw a thread on here awhle ago that addressed a similar problem, but I can't locate the link now.

Help! (again)

[Chewy]

katz,
we touched on address problems before, the placement of cards in particular slots

when a sound card and onboard sound are both installed that's an accident waiting to happen

device manager/view/by connection/irq
paste this screen

[Dan]

This was a similar thread with a good link posted by Soup. I hope it works for you!

Link (http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?t=75590&highlight=sound)

[katzdvd]

Chewy - Looks like the sounds are on different irq's:

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/7554/irq8ci.png (http://imageshack.us)


@ Dan - After posting this thread, I search some more & found that link from soup. I ran that pgm. & it did work, at least for now.

Keeping my fingers crossed... :D

[Chewy]

where's the controller card?

[katzdvd]

where's the controller card?I didn't put it back on the board yet. Since I am up in the air as far as what I am going to do about a gaming pc for my son, I didn't go any farther with this one after reformatting than I needed to.

[Chewy]

we it sure isn't causing any conflicts sitting on the table

do you need 2 sound sources, a friend who dj's does and he has always had issues getting both to work right at the same time

[katzdvd]

When I disable the realtek audio in dev. manager, I get an error message on boot up. I don't rem. what the error actually said, but when I re-enable the realtek, the error went away.

I could maybe disable it in the BIOS, that would probably be the way to do it.


Also, I noticed that my video card is listed under PCI 16. Is that right, since this is an AGP card?

[Chewy]

I could maybe disable it in the BIOS

standard procedure

my video card is listed under PCI 16

just it's irq number, not to worry

[katzdvd]

standard procedureWill do!
just it's irq number, not to worryFigured that, just wanted to make sure :)

[katzdvd]

Guess I am a little slow at catching on to things... I finally realized that I am experiencing several problems;

* After the pc is powered on for awhile, maybe 3 hrs. or so, I lose my broadband connection.

* Also after the pc is powered on for awhile, I am losing all sound (still)

I did disable the onboard sound in the BIOS. This is a fresh install of windows, not hardly a week old. Did a thorough scan for viruses, etc., all clean. Did some searching on google & came up with the possibility of a failing CMOS battery.

Do these symptoms sound typical of a failing battery? Since I have a clean install on here, I can't think that it is software related. It seems to me that it is maybe the mobo/hardware related.

[Chewy]

well a failing cmos battery will lose time, to check turn off the windows update function on the clock

another symptom is bios settings will be lost

I suspect it's all related to your clean install and that extra sound(the pci card)

give some details and history on the computer

there's a safe way to reload a computer, it's not that hard but you have to cross every t and dot every i

[katzdvd]

Well,

I thought I was onto something here - but I guess not. I was surfing the net with my son's pc earlier, & now it lost the connection too. The ISP says that it is not on their end, so the only thing left on me is the cable modem -

After I reboot the pc, I get the connection back. Does that sound like a flakey modem?

My PC: It does not lose time.

History on the pc; Now that I think back, I have had this sound issue off & on for a long time. Not since the mobo was new, but maybe a year after installing it. It happened with my old soundblaster, with the onboard sound, & now ith the MAYA card that I have installed.

When I reformatt, I now remove all cards (except video) .
Order of install:
1. Win XP
2. SP2 disc
3. Add 1 card at a time & drivers
4. Security Software (Firewall, Virus scan)
5. Rip/Burn/Audio (etc) programs

That is pretty much it. Win XP installed perfectly this last time, no hitches at all. Since the sound issue has been present off & on for such a long time, that is what is leading me to look at the mobo, as that is really the only original part in the system.

A reboot fixes it. It doesn't seem to matter what sound card I use, they all exhibit the same behaviour.

I know it is not the speakers. :D

[Chewy]

use everest and post the overclock report and let's look at your drivers

[katzdvd]

Chewy - I think this is what you are looking for. If not, direct me :)

[Chewy]

sensor next after it's been running for while

what drivers for the motherboard are you loading when during the load?

http://www.abit-usa.com/products/mb/drivers.php?categories=1&model=230

[katzdvd]

Sensor report - pc has been running for 1 hr. I recently blew it out - no dust, is in a cool room. plenty of ventilation/fans.

[Chewy]

temps are fine, did you see my edit on the drivers?

[katzdvd]

what drivers for the motherboard are you loading when during the load? All the ones listed there, except the last one (Intel).
Realtek onboard is disabled in the BIOS, does not show in dev. manager.

[Chewy]

All the ones listed there, except the last one (Intel).
Realtek onboard is disabled in the BIOS, does not show in dev. manager.


sp2 has better drivers, that may be part of the problem

now counting from the top pci, what cards are in what slots

did you set the bios for plug and play?

your settings are in the pnp/pci configurations

force update escd looks like the winner when you add cards in the right slot

the table showing irq's and and int# is how you head off conflicts, I usually try the cards in different slots tho

[katzdvd]

Only card installed is the sound card. I have had it in different slots the whole time that this prob. has been occuring. Right now it is in the 4th slot from top.

I didn't change the BIOS setting for PnP, so it is set for plug & play.

[Chewy]

when you reboot next try the force update escd

need to do it everytime something is changed hardware wise

in device manager look around, especially system devices for any via drivers
that can roll back to windows default

[katzdvd]

Chewy - I looked everywhere in the BIOS (several times) & I cannot find anything related to "force update ESCD". I know I have seen that in the past w/ other pc's, but it seems non-existant here!

Can you give me a clue as to where it is hiding/under another name maybe?

[Chewy]

right below power management, in the PnP/PCI configuration

bottom left of menu for bios

[katzdvd]

In there, I have "Resources controlled By Auto". Do I just change that to manual & reboot?

[Chewy]

leave it on auto but set the force escd

it will reset itself after a reboot

[katzdvd]

leave it on auto but set the force escd There is nothing there that says escd anywhere...The entries that are there;

Resources Controlled By Auto

PCI/VGA Palette Snoop- Disabled
Allocate IRQ to Video-Enabled
Allocate IRQ to USB-Enabled

PIRQ_0 Use IRQ No. Auto
PIRQ_1Use IRQ No. Auto
PIRQ_2Use IRQ No. Auto
PIRQ_3Use IRQ No. Auto

[Chewy]

I thought I had the right manual

[katzdvd]

I wish my BIOS looked like that, but it doesn't. The first entry is;
Resources Controlled By Auto

There is no (ESCD) behind it.

EDIT - Chewy - I just checked my mainboard manual, & it looks like your attached pic; But the screen in the BIOS does not have the Force ESCD entry...

[katzdvd]

Been doing more research; (google, etc.) Was wondering if I may have a corrupted bios, or would that cause the pc not to boot at all? Just for kicks, I cleared the cmos & rebooted. The entry is still not there on the bios.

in device manager look around, especially system devices for any via drivers
that can roll back to windows default
I will give that a shot & hope for the best. This problem is surely a real pain, as I have audio editing projects to do!

[katzdvd]

In Dev. Manager: The only system devices that are VIA are the last 3 in the list;
VIA CPU to AGP Controller
VIA Standard Host Bridge
VIA Standard PCI to ISA Bridge


Other than that is the Audiotrak drivers from my soundcard manufacture, under Sound, video & game controllers. I wouldn't think that they are the culprit, since I also had this issue w/ the soundbalster that was prev. installed, but I don't know...

[katzdvd]

I have been thinking back over my history with this mainboard; I have had sound issues with it off & on for a long time, & I am at my wits end trying to get a handle on the problem.

Chewy, you think that it is a driver issue? From my exp. with this board & other pc's that I've assembled, I am not so sure...to my thinking, I am faulting the mainboard itself...This is the first pc I have encountered this problem with, & since I have tried 3 diff. sound cards, & also the onboard sound with the same results, I don't know...

Almost from new, sound has mysteriously disappeared & returned randomly...& then there is the issue with no ESCD entry in the BIOS...Time for a new mobo?

[Chewy]

well I can understand the onboard sound or a pci sound card being bad, but the odds that both would be a fault of the motherboard are not likely(in my experience)?

we need to get anony's or uncasms's opinion?

[katzdvd]

well I can understand the onboard sound or a pci sound card being bad, but the odds that both would be a fault of the motherboard are not likely(in my experience)?
Well, I was thinking along those lines too, but I am starting to "second guess" my diagnosis at this point. The thing that really has me puzzled is the fact that I have built/upgraded so many systems, & have not come across this problem before. Since I have used the same componants (sound cards, etc.) in other builds, same xp install, drivers, etc., it seemed to me that the only logical item left to fault would be the mobo.

But, I know I have limited "hobby" experience compared to most on here, so that is why I am asking the questions. Have been hammering away at this one for way too long! :smashead:

EDIT :Chewy, what are your thoughts on no ESCD entry in the BIOS...?

[UncasMS]

actually there is nothing much to suggest here as chewy has already covered all the standard issues that come to ones mind

- did you try a fw update with your mobo?
- do you have latest via drivers installed?

[katzdvd]

do you have latest via drivers installedyes
did you try a fw update with your mobowhen I first installed this mobo, I had to update the Bios to the latest. It would not recognize the cpu at the right speed until I did.

That is all I can think of...

[anonymez]

latest directx?

[katzdvd]

latest directx? Not at this time, no. I have had everything up to date previously, tho, & still had the same problem.

[anonymez]

you ought to update it, the problem still seems software related

edit: realized you had SP2, never mind. it may not be the latest build, but it should be 9.0c which will do

[Chewy]

I am thinking the hyperlon drivers hosed it somehow?

they do it with agp

would be nice to do a clean install with sound card in and a slipstreamed sp2 cd and onboard off in bios

[anonymez]

http://www.abit-usa.com/products/mb/drivers.php?categories=1&model=230

the drivers on that page are old. did you install those or the latest, direct from realtek & VIA?

[katzdvd]

I installed the drivers from that page - Question: why does thisa board/install seem to be so buggy, when I have done countless other setups w/ no probs.?

Is this a real buggy/fussy mobo?

[Chewy]

http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=420&OSID=1&CatID=1070

worth a try, but I never use this crap

[katzdvd]

http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx...D=1&CatID=1070 worth a try, but I never use this crap
:( Chewy, I was on via arena forums once in the past & they recommended that to me - I tried it & didn't improve my situation.

[Chewy]

:( Chewy, I was on via arena forums once in the past & they recommended that to me - I tried it & didn't improve my situation.


that's why I don't use them anymore

the via drivers in sp2 are the most trouble free solution I have ever found


I have gotten lazy in my old age

[katzdvd]

I have gotten lazy in my old ageSay it ain't so! :P

What other avenues can I explore? what else to do???

[Chewy]

start all over and try again
but this time follow a new set of directions, your method is how I loaded windows 98

[katzdvd]

would be nice to do a clean install with sound card in and a slipstreamed sp2 cd and onboard off in bios you mean start over & do it like that?

And, what do you think the deal is with ESCD entry missing in the bios?

[Chewy]

how did you flash the bios?

sh!te, another can of worms

download the user manual and check against your bios?

[katzdvd]

how did you flash the bios :D :D :D
Chewy, that was long ago & far away (I know, bad...) I can't remember, other than to say I followed the directions provided at the abit site, & all went well, without any glitches, as I can remember.
download the user manual and check against your bios?
I have the manual that came w/ the board, & the page in it looks just like your screenshot; It clearly shows ESCD as being an entry, but I can guarantee you that when I go into my bios, it does not have it there!

[katzdvd]

Well,
I have given this situation a bit of thought, & considering the (several) issues that I have, (quirky xp install process, bios item missing, etc.)...I think I would rather just try my luck with another mobo.

I looked over AMD's site at the recommended boards for use with my processer(something I should have done first), & they have quite a few listed. Quite a few are still avail., some are not.

Would you fellows mind taking a gander at the link & see if there is one that you would prefer over another?

Athlon XP 3200 400FSB
Remember, I need SATA 3Gb/s.

http://www2.amd.com/us-en/recmobo/ResultsHandler/1,,30_182_869_4348^7923~63674,00.html

Many thanks, katz :)

[Chewy]

I've tried pricewatch and newegg, nothing

[katzdvd]

I've tried pricewatch and newegg, nothing Ebay has some refurbs/old stock listed, & last night I found a couple retailers that still had some of those boards listed.
But newegg, tigerdirect, & the bigger retailers, no go.

[Chewy]

my son fried his asrock and his mobile xp cpu is just sitting

I would want an asus myself

might have had a bad bios flash?????

are any of the caps buldging/leaking, my experience with abit?

[katzdvd]

might have had a bad bios flash????? was thinking that would almost have to be my prob., but I thought a bad flash would leave me with a paperweight - completely dead.
are any of the caps buldging/leaking, my experience with abit?I looked at the caps a while back, they all looked good. I have a friend who rebuilt a mobo/replaced all the caps once; said it wasn't worth the time/energy he put into it :D

[doctorhardware]

It is cheaper just to buy another motherboard then to replace all the caps. If you can supply the specs of the flash chip used for the bios I might be able to flash a chip here and send it to you. The only other thing is that the chip must be socketed or it is not worth the effort IMHO.:smashead:

[Chewy]

well Katz, long ago and far away I had some similar problems and when in doubt I learned to start over from scratch and have saved some decent hardware that way.

I just wish you had bought decent ram, that cas 3 is not what I like to see

here's a quick check list for a good bios flash

damn perfect floppy disk formatted by windows as a startup disk
put the flasher and bin file on it

turn off the computer after setting it to boot to floppy

pull the power plug
wait
optional pull the mobo power connector
wait
short cmos(wait at least 30 seconds)
reconnect everything in reverse order

boot to floppy and enter commands that you wrote down, at the a prompt

after the flash and reboot go into bios immediately and use setup defaults
then tweak by fixing things, memory timings etc, turn off unused crap

[katzdvd]

well Katz, long ago and far away I had some similar problems and when in doubt I learned to start over from scratch and have saved some decent hardware that way. I can't start over now, if the bios is corrupt can I? Need new chip at that point?

I just wish you had bought decent ram, that cas 3 is not what I like to seeI know, I cheaped out :( will not do it again; am learning, discovering lots of good things here on the forums since arriving a yr. ago...

Good instructions on the flash, I recorded them for future reference. If memory serves me, I did (mostly) what you stated, Except after the flash and reboot go into bios immediately and use setup defaults
then tweak by fixing things, memory timings etc, turn off unused crap That would have been a good step to do, but if Abit didn't reference it in their instructions, I didn't do it.

Thanks so very much, all you guys for the pointers. Now is decision time; I need to decide if I want to fight this board further or go for one that AMD recommends. Unfortunantly, my kv7-v is not on their list.

[Chewy]

sure you can flash as many time as you like

[katzdvd]

sure you can flash as many time as you likeWell then, dang it, I may be tempted to do it again, maybe get lucky on the 2nd time around!

[katzdvd]

Chewy, should I pull all cards from their slots/unplug usb hub, etc., before flash bios, or does that not matter?

[doctorhardware]

If the computer is still booting you can still reflash the bios. It is only when the computer is not booting that you can't reflash and the flash chip needs to be pulled to reprogram the flash chip.

[Chewy]

Chewy, should I pull all cards from their slots/unplug usb hub, etc., before flash bios, or does that not matter?


usb hub, anything that draws or supplies power

a pci card won't matter

when computers had isa slots a failed flash could be recovered with an isa video card, go figure

[katzdvd]

Another thought;
Instead of putting these files on a floppy, could I burn them all to cd & do the flash from there? Seems like it would be more reliable.

[Chewy]

sure, ever make a dos boot cd?

I would have the bios flashed quicker

[katzdvd]

sure, ever make a dos boot cd?

I would have the bios flashed quicker Never did; Always booted from floppy w/ old 95/98 systems when formatting. When xp came out it was easy enough to format/partition/install with the xp installation cd.

Guess I need to read up on the "slipstream" method a bit more before attempting the new install as well. :)

[katzdvd]

Chewy, when fresh installing; Should I use the older mobo drivers from abits' site, or the newer VIA ones? (we don't like the VIA ones)?

[Chewy]

now this part is critical, I have covered it before and there is a semi-consensus on the issue

load no drivers till you see what's missing from device manager

the motherboard cd's are worse than useless in most cases

the websites not much better

the drivers embedded in the OS are well tested
MS finally forced chipset makers to quit screwing up usb with their mickey mouse drivers

for example nforce drivers work great for pata drives, just don't try and burn a dvd with em

[katzdvd]

load no drivers till you see what's missing from device manager

the motherboard cd's are worse than useless in most cases

the websites not much better

the drivers embedded in the OS are well tested
MS finally forced chipset makers to quit screwing up usb with their mickey mouse drivers If memory serves me correct, I believe after I install win xp/sp2, the only thing that shows up missing in dev. manager is the onboard sound. So, if I disable that in the bios after the flash, it looks like everything should come up roses :)

I will tackle this later today.

[Chewy]

stay the heck away from them damn via hyperon drivers

[katzdvd]

Chewy - printed out & followed your instructions to a "T". Flash went well from floppy. Rebooted, turned off onboard sound in bios.

Still no ESCD entry there... what is up with that?

Did not do clean install at this point - should try to get bios situation figured out first?

[doctorhardware]

Is there an updated manual for the motherboard or any notes for the new version for the Bios update? Maybe that was a feature that was eliminated?

[Chewy]

well the manual does not match the bios, that's ok

they may have that feature auto implemented

remove the sound card from device manager and let windows redetect after reboot

have you uninstalled the hyperion drivers

[katzdvd]

I have disabled the sound card in the bios, after the flash; It does not show up in dev. manager. The hyperion drivers? Do you mean the ones from abit's site?
http://www.abit-usa.com/products/mb/drivers.php?categories=1&model=230 Those are the ones that I have on the pc right now. VIA SATA & Chipset.

[Chewy]

VIA Chipset Driver is the
VIAHyperion4in1456v.exe

[katzdvd]

Under system devices, I have:

VIA CPU to AGP Controller
VIA Standard Host Bridge
VIA Standard PCI to ISA Bridge

Only VIA I see anywhere...

EDIT: Last 2 are provided by by VIA Technologies.

[Chewy]

if you can't find anything is add and remove programs, look for via drivers that aren't certified to roll back

[katzdvd]

Sorry I keep running off; The missus is finding jobs for me to do! :D
add and remove programs
Bingo! There is a VIA Platform Device Manager/Hyperion Pro Setup Program in add/remove. Sounds like the culprit! Might as well throw away Realtek AC'97 Audio while I am in there too.

Those are the only entries that I see which are VIA related.

[Chewy]

We are going to end up with those benq's on the motherboard ide yet

and that quad core you are gonna build will be a breeze

[katzdvd]

Chewy - all VIA is uninstalled. Now, upon re-booting, "found new hardware";

SATA raid controller.

I let it try to find automatically & windows cannot find it. Do I need to install the sata driver from abit?

[Chewy]

if you can see your sata drives you are fine and didn't need a raid driver

[katzdvd]

if you can see your sata drives you are fine and didn't need a raid driver
Yeah, I realized that - D'oh! Trying to do too many things at one time.

I tried to record a streaming audio segment last eve. & the sound stopped about 1/2 way thru (60 min. radio show). :(
I guess there is some junk left over from the prev. driver setup, so I am off to do a clean install now. Only Windows drivers! If this doesn't fix it, then I am at a total loss... :confuse4:

[katzdvd]

Oh brother, another snag... Trying to install xp, didn't press F6 to install raid or 3rd party driver at setup, so I could keep windows free of the via drivers. However, since I didn't do that, I then get the message;

"Setup did not detect any HD connected to your computer"

It is not seeing the SATA drive w/out installing the raid driver.

[katzdvd]

If I choose to install the driver at (f6), I have 2 choices on this disc;

VIA RAID Controller/ Win XP
VIA ATA/ATAPI Host Controller/ Win XP

It seems if I don't do that, windows can't see the sata drive to continue the install...

I'm stuck!

[Chewy]

Windows Pre-OS installation Floppy Disk (F6 Installation)
Under Windows 2000 and later OS, while user intends to install OS on the disk attached on the RAID controller, they have to prepare a floppy driver disk including the pre-OS installation files and press “F6” while boot CD is starting.

The driver disk files had been prepared in this package. Please follow the steps to prepare it.

1. Make sure the target system is already install floppy drive

2. Prepare a empty and valid floppy disk

3. Copy all files under \DRVDISK to the floppy without losing

4. Power on the target machine and boot from the Boot CD. And press “F6” while the prompt appear on the button line

5. After the booting process ask you to insert the floppy disk, please insert the prepared floppy disk to the floppy drive and press enter

6. Choose the proper item to fit the OS and RAID controller you are installing. Each item shows the matched OS for it.

[katzdvd]

Near as I can tell, I *guess* I am supposed to install the VIA RAID controller.

What is the VIA ATA/ATAPI Host Controller/ Win XP for?

[Chewy]

in the driver file(folder 430g) there is a directory called drvdisk

the textsetup.oem and the i386 folder need to be put on the floppy

[SCSI]
VCOMBORAID_I386_NT5="VIA VT8237/6421/6410 SATA RAID Controller(Windows XP/SRV2003)"
VCOMBORAID_I386_WIN2K="VIA VT8237/6421/6410 SATA RAID Controller(Windows 2K)"
VCOMBORAID_I386_NT4="VIA VT8237/6421/6410 SATA RAID Controller(Windows NT4)"

you then will have to choose your os but not any drivers

[katzdvd]

in the driver file(folder 430g) there is a directory called drvdisk

the textsetup.oem and the i386 folder need to be put on the floppy

[SCSI]
VCOMBORAID_I386_NT5="VIA VT8237/6421/6410 SATA RAID Controller(Windows XP/SRV2003)"
VCOMBORAID_I386_WIN2K="VIA VT8237/6421/6410 SATA RAID Controller(Windows 2K)"
VCOMBORAID_I386_NT4="VIA VT8237/6421/6410 SATA RAID Controller(Windows NT4)"

you then will have to choose your os but not any drivers

Thanks so much! I read that before but had forgot about it. When you don't work on these things everyday, you tend to get a little rusty!
:)

[Chewy]

make sure there are no pata drives connected to the motherboard

[katzdvd]

make sure there are no pata drives connected to the motherboard I know, thanks for the reminder! I am back up & running, sp2 installed, all looks good in dev. manager.

No VIA installed, except under system devices;
VIA CPU to AGP Controller

Also, under Motherboard resources - It says, "there are no drivers installed for this device".

Is that right?

BTW, I have sound right now :)

[Chewy]

motherboard resources????????

a yellow exclaimation mark in device manager?

at least now your boot files should all be on your boot drive

loading a computer is easy once you learn the rules, but one screwup and you might as well start over

[katzdvd]

motherboard resources????????

a yellow exclaimation mark in device manager?
No exclamation mark Chewy; Sorry, I should have explained it clearer.
I was just looking thru the different components & I noticed that.

I saw the no drivers installed & just wondered about it.
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/236/devmanaf1.png (http://imageshack.us)

[Chewy]

looks like that damn pci sound card, where did you get the drivers for it?

[katzdvd]

http://www.audiotrak.net/support_download.htm

Maya 7.1 v.5.20 - I know, they are old...

[katzdvd]

Ok, just discovered something here. Sound has worked fine since the clean install, almost 2 days. I just ran shrink/multi-shrink, did 3 movies, & now my sound is gone. (until I reboot)

What does this mean?

[doctorhardware]

It sounds like it might be messing with the driver or maybe the buss. Just a thought.

[katzdvd]

It sounds like it might be messing with the driver or maybe the buss. Just a thought.

I just don't know what to think after all the troubleshooting we have done, plus my history with this setup. Come to think of it, it has lost sound in the past when I wasn't working with video.

Remember, this problem has been occuring with any sound card that I install, & also when I was using the onboard sound when I first setup the pc.

That is the problem; I can't seem to nail it down to any one upgrade/change/other.

[doctorhardware]

Then the only commonalty is the mother board.

[Chewy]

that's an old sound card, are you sure the onboard sound was messing up after a clean install and the Maya card had not even been in the computer

[katzdvd]

are you sure the onboard sound was messing up after a clean install yes sir; I can say for certain that it was.

There was a time when I had threw out my old soundblaster, & I had reformatted/clean install & used the onboard sound. I was using the ide drives, no sata. Altho, I was using VIA chipset drivers back then...

[Chewy]

capture a sensor reading in the middle of a multishrink operation some time,
something is overheating? or at least close to the end of a heavy duty shrink compression

[katzdvd]

capture a sensor reading in the middle of a multishrink operation some time,
something is overheating? or at least close to the end of a heavy duty shrink compression I will do that, just out of curiosity as to what is overheating. The pc is as clean as a pin, so I know it is not that.

As a side note - overheating issue from new? Rem., I have had this problem pretty much right from the start.

However, I am getting really tired of chasing this down, & I have been considering moving on to another pc. I was looking at the barebones kits at newegg & zipzoomfly; Does any one model catch your eye?

Trying to work on a slim budget here, as I guess I need to assemble (2), since the one that I was working on for my son is not suitable for a gaming rig.

[Chewy]

the problem being the motherboard doesn't make any sense unless a chipset that's controlling the pci bus and onboard sound is somehow dropping the ball

pull the sound card and use the onboard, but be sure and uninstall any funky drivers or software for that soundcard

[katzdvd]

Using onboard sound right now - uuck! It is horrible! It has always been "noisy", i.e., when you move the mouse, you can hear light buzzing in the speakers.

I just ran multi shrink on 2 movies for about 1/2 hr. Light to med. compression rates. My temps at the highest were;

Mobo - 71
CPU - 109
Sata HD - 93

[Chewy]

if you want highest quality sound you have to spend the bucks

is it cutting out? that's the only pertinent question. onboard sound?

I think the whole problem is that funky sound card and old drivers that weren't updated for xp and sp2

[katzdvd]

is it cutting out? that's the only pertinent question. onboard sound?
Yes, onboard - haven't had it cut out yet. Will continue to keep an eye on it.

[katzdvd]

if you want highest quality sound you have to spend the bucks Chewy - can you recommend a decent sound card for a 4.1 (or greater) speaker system? I don't need anything really fancy, just something that will work better than the one I have been using, & has good driver support!

Also, is it "normal" for the cpu temps to vary greatly? I am noticing ranges from 65 at "idle" to 110 under loads.

[Chewy]

are we talking centigrate(celcius)?

85C die temp is redline for that cpu

65F would be idle in a room that's below 60F with a great fan

new onboard sound is fine and sound cards are obsolete

[katzdvd]

Mobo - 71
CPU - 109
Sata HD - 93 Fahrenheit! Sorry I didn't clarify.
new onboard sound is fine and sound cards are obsolete I am going to have to go w/ an add on sound card, as this onboard sound is way too noisy to use for audio editing.

[Chewy]

I was refering to a new motherboard, not that old one

why pay 100-150$ for a good sound card when you can get a motherboard for less?

Now I know people who pay 400-1000$ for one but they use it for professional
recording and mixing

[katzdvd]

why pay 100-150$ for a good sound card when you can get a motherboard for less?

Well, I'm thinking of a "good" sound card in the $25 - $50 range :bncygrin:

Come on, work with me here! :biggrin:

I don't need one for major recording/mixing, just mainly streaming audio of radio shows, etc.

[doctorhardware]

Katz
I have a sound blaster live AWE 64. Which I think it is 5/1 or 6/1 possibly. It is collecting dust here in the office/computer building physicality. I would be more than happy to donate the sound card gratis:thumbs_up to you to help you over come your audio problems. I also have several other card that I let you choose from also. Like a Turtle Beach Daytona Card. :toast: :toast:

Doc hardware

[katzdvd]

Hey Doc,

Thanks for the offer, but I don't believe I need it now; After the post, I was rummaging thru some of my parts & pieces that I had lying around, & I came across an old soundblaster that I had pulled out of a pc along the way - so I could use that if I needed to.

Actually, I have been thinking of just leaving this pc like it is, if the onboard doesn't cut out, & letting my son use this one for his gaming needs. At that point, I will be building a new box, so you will probably see a thread on here soon pertaining to that! :D

BTW, I tried to pm you - I guess you have the option turned off for that?

Thanks again, katz :)

[doctorhardware]

Katz

The PM issue has been fixed I did not have a Buddy list setup so no PM could be received. NO problem my pleasure.

[Chewy]

if the onboard doesn't cut out, & letting my son use this one for his gaming needs.

exactly what I had in mind

there were a lot of issues with xp and sound cards, especially the live series from creative

[katzdvd]

Just an update here; I have been monitoring an audiophile forum for a month or so, & alot of the guys on there seem to like the b - Enspirer Bluegears cards.

Well, I thought after all the great things said about it, & the reviews online, it looked like a good choice. Long story short; Disabled onboard sound first. Installed it, worked great on 2 channel setting; as soon as I bumped it up to 4 ch. or higher, the sound started "freezing", making weird noises. Until all was said & done, I had major issues, system became unstable, froze, couldn't get to reboot, had to pull power & clear CMOS until I could get Windows to come back up again.

Everything is running ok now, back to using onboard sound :(

Still a driver issue, Chewy?!? :confused:

[Chewy]

Still a driver issue, Chewy?!?

might even be what slot(pci) you stuck it in and/or how you set up bios

a friend/coworker of mine kept trying to setup computers(mobile dj ones) with
dual sound output(onboard and sound card) so he could play thru one and cue up a song thru the other.

sound is a low level(deep) os function and be prepared for troubles

katz, maybe you should join sound card's anonymous for rehab?

[katzdvd]

might even be what slot(pci) you stuck it in and/or how you set up biosI am aware of that.

sound is a low level(deep) os function and be prepared for troubles

The thing that throws me here is that I have been building/upgrading/repairing pcs' since early win 95 days, & I have Never encountered an issue that has plagued me this bad. :(

I did disable the onboard sound in the BIOS & dev manager, tried both ways, but the mobo sound drivers were still installed - I guess that doesn't help things, I should have dumped them first.

Oh well, I am not going to beat this one to death either, but it would be nice to get a cool sound card working in this thing.

Do you think it would be better to move that card up near the top? I can get it in the 2nd pci slot, not the first, since the agp card takes up that space.

[Chewy]

I am aware of that.

you need to access the interrupt assignments and irq's for the pci slots

with the sound card out of the computer see what interrupt and irq the onboard is using

disable onboard and clean up anything loading at bootup

put the sound card in the slot that corresponds to the onboard interrupt

go low not high

load the drivers???

[katzdvd]

you need to access the interrupt assignments and irq's for the pci slots

with the sound card out of the computer see what interrupt and irq the onboard is using

disable onboard and clean up anything loading at bootup

put the sound card in the slot that corresponds to the onboard interrupt

go low not high

load the drivers???

Great info. I will do that as I get a chance to & keep you posted.

[Chewy]

It's an advanced mode of

Plug and Pray

[katzdvd]

Chewy - I wanted to throw something else out here that I just remembered. I don't believe I had mentioned it previously; A good while back, I had purchased an E-MU sound card for line-in recording/mixing, etc. It was not top of the line, but considered a very good one for everyday use.

I experienced the problems in this thread, did a bit of searching on E-MU website, & found that the it caused problems when used on a system that had a South Bridge VIA VT8237.

Do you think that it could be possible that this could be the source of this problem? I know you mentioned the win xp/driver issues with sound cards, & you do know way more than I do on this, but from my (limited) experience, I am looking at all the systems I have assembled for friends, & none of them are having problems but me... I would hate to think that I just "got lucky" on all those other builds!:confuse5:

[Chewy]

after all the firewire problems I had with jvc and via or agere and xpsp2 I would consider it very possible(hardware conflict)

stay away from via hyperion or 4 in 1 drivers

[katzdvd]

stay away from via hyperion or 4 in 1 drivers Well said, I have seen that mentioned on other forums as well. Except on the Abit forums, the guys on there said to download & install all the mobo drivers...

I would consider it very possible(hardware conflict)Very fussy mobo...is there any card that will work on this thing ?!?! :smashead: