tsstcorp TS-H653L @18x using anything?

[MilesAhead]

I'm just curious if anyone has seen a TSSTcorp TS-H653L drive report write speeds greater than 16x on any DVD+R media? I purchased an HP Pavilion with this drive and I've tried 4 different brands of DVD+R and have yet to see anything > 16x.

So far Verbatim, Tayo Yuden, and Ricoh will burn at 16x.. Prodisc only up to 8x. Makes me wonder what media they used when they set up the write strategy for this drive :anon:

My firmware rev. shows 0514

[Dan]

The Verbatim DVD+R is the only media that will let me burn at 18x so far.
But I still wouldn't want to personally.
Must be the firmware holding it to 16x?

TSSTcorp CD/DVDW SH-S182D SB05 (ATA)
Current Profile: DVD+R

Disc Information:
Status: Empty
Erasable: No
Free Sectors: 2,295,104
Free Space: 4,700,372,992 bytes
Free Time: 510:03:29 (MM:SS:FF)
Supported Write Speeds: 4x, 8x, 12x, 16x, 18x

Physical Format Information (ADIP):
Disc ID: MCC-004-00
Book Type: DVD+R
Part Version: 1
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 1

[soup]

Very important.

Supported Write Speeds: 4x, 8x, 12x, 16x, 18x

[Art Vandelay]

I think I had the same HP media center. That drive has SATA conections (not the problem) and I kept having burns fail even at 4X or 8X. I think the first 5 DVD's I burn with -R Verbatim or +RW Sony Japan DVD's 4 failed badly. I tried to update firmware since there was a avaliable update at HP that was newer that the one I had but it wouldn't allow me to update it (0614). My other media center has the TS-652L drive and I had no problems updating it.

I asked Chewy about the drive you are talking about and my 652L and he said they were rebranded Samsung drives so if you go to Samsung the 653L # won't be found if you search. Chewy said firmware must come from HP since they rebranded it and are responsible for the updates, so don't use the Samsung firmware from their site. I had other problems with the TV tuner so I just took the PC back.

[Chewy]

what support write speeds does your drive show with imgburn??

you have the new firmware

the 18x is mostly a marketing gimmick and way faster than most drives and media can handle

what's a few minutes compared to a coaster or crappy burn?

[Dan]

the 18x is mostly a marketing gimmick and way faster than most drives and media can handle

what's a few minutes compared to a coaster or crappy burn?

Chewy, I couldn't agree more.

My Samsung will usually burn @8x in 6-6 1/2 minutes. I have tried 18x and it took nearly as long. Also it never did actually reach 18x in burn speed.

[MilesAhead]

The Verbatim DVD+R is the only media that will let me burn at 18x so far.
But I still wouldn't want to personally.
Must be the firmware holding it to 16x?

TSSTcorp CD/DVDW SH-S182D SB05 (ATA)


Yeah, there's something strange going on. My previous HP Pavilion
had an LG drive so I made the mistake of assuming this would be
the same with the upgrade that it would burn DVD+RW @ 8x instead
of 4.

I'm not so much worried about 18x as in good steady burns.
I was getting a big trough in the middle of all my 16x burns.
Then messing around with optimizing Vista I found some
stuff about the 'fsutil' command. For some weird reason
the "memoryusage" was totally disabled. After
changing this value from 0 to 2 I still get a trough but
it's much less severe. Average burn speeds for a full
DVD5 are only slightly slower than the LG drive and the
DVDs seem to play fine in my stand-alones.


At this point the 18x is just a matter of curiosity. :)

[MilesAhead]

what support write speeds does your drive show with imgburn??

you have the new firmware

the 18x is mostly a marketing gimmick and way faster than most drives and media can handle

what's a few minutes compared to a coaster or crappy burn?

Imgburn shows me 4x 8x 12x 16x with the 16x Verbatim and TY DVD+R.

AFA the speed goes I guess I was spoiled having a drive that would consistently produce good burns at full speed with relatively cheap media. One gets hooked into the idea that the hardware keeps getting better and cheaper.

But once you get over 12x it's a point of diminishing returns. I agree there. :)

[Chewy]

my lg only burns 16x fuji dvd+r's at 4x, the mid is supported by the firmware,
lg just figured that mid(prodisc) was crap and they tried to make sure it would burn

my other drives burn it at 16x but they are close to being coasters

[MilesAhead]

I think I had the same HP media center. That drive has SATA conections (not the problem) and I kept having burns fail even at 4X or 8X.


I don't know if this is what happened in your case but I found the first few burns with Imgburn the Finalize Disc would fail and I had to retry. Then the disc would freeze up in my stand-alone player. I turned off auto insert notification and set all the AutoPlay settings to Do Nothing. That seemed to cure the finalization failures. I'm using Imgburn 2.3.2.0 for everything and the machine seems happy as long as I feed it Verbatim or TY blanks.

[MilesAhead]

my lg only burns 16x fuji dvd+r's at 4x, the mid is supported by the firmware,
lg just figured that mid(prodisc) was crap and they tried to make sure it would burn

my other drives burn it at 16x but they are close to being coasters

I can't seem to get any burn testing software to show any meaningful results on either machine so I can't say technically how good the burns are. All I know is how they give steady burns and play fine in my stand-alones. The
Prodisc seems to burn ok at 8x in the tsstcorp and it's cheap so... for
watch once throw away stuff it's fine.

[dunderal]

does anyone know where I can find firmware for my TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H653L ? Please let me know, I've already tried http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_all.php but I couldn't find it. Help would be GREATLY appreciated.

Thanks

[Dan]

If you read back to Art's post in this thread he mentions the H653L and the problems/possible solutions for it.

[Art Vandelay]

It was frustrating that 653 drive, it was in a core 2 duo E6400 HP machine. I was using the newest version of ImgBurn all the time and XP Media center 2005, not Vista. I had big problems with Sony +RW's (Taiwan ones) the Japan Sony RW's worked fine. Yes verification was the big problem, often it would ccycle the tray and then the drive wouldn't recognise that a DVD was in the drive so I would press the eject button and cycle the tray afew times then it would recognise and ImgBurn would take over. Often ImgBurn would say the verification was OK but when i would put it in my Panasonic DVD player it would be pixalated in many places. What really annoyed me was when I bought this system I checked the devise manager of the display model and it showed 2 LG drives so I thought I got rid of the rebranded Samsung problem. I took one off the shelf, took it home and set it up, checked the dev. manager and saw 2 Samsung drives!!!!!

I took the PC back and continued to use my other one HP AMD X2 64 +46000 that has the H652L drive in it. Rebraned Samsung also. Even the 652 has verification problems with the Taiwan Sony RW's and Verbatim +RDL will only burn at 2.4X and +RW will only burn at 4X max. Verbatim -R, Sony -R all worked well and I never burnt faster than 8X.

The key as Chewy told me is to get the firmware from the HP suport site and not the Samsung site.

[MilesAhead]

It was frustrating that 653 drive,
it was in a core 2 duo E6400 HP machine.

On the plus side, I'm really enjoying this Pavilion Media Center
with AMD duo core 5200+. It's the first machine I purchased with
AMD processor and also the first that runs fast, cool and quiet. So
far I haven't seen the CPU temp peak past 56 C even at 100% CPU
utilization.

Also I just got the Memorex 8x DVD+RW I ordered today. Imgburn shows the
ID as RITEK-008-00 and it will in fact burn @8x in this drive!! Average
burn speed on a full disc is > 6.0x and my stand-alone seems to like it.
So they should be great for test burns. :thumbs_up

[wzabawa]

Can you guys help me out, I've got the TSST-H653L burner in an HP media machine, unfortunately I've got stuck with the Vista. I've looked at HP for the firmware update, but I only find the 0414 (which I have). Mentioned above someone said the had 0514 or 0614? Where can I find it.

I'm having a terrible time getting good burns, verification is always failing. Could it be the burner or Vista?

Any help is appreciated, I'm tired of coasters.

[Chewy]

welcome to the forum

post a burn log showing verification failed please

[wzabawa]

I 19:06:40 ImgBurn Version 2.3.2.0 started!
I 19:06:40 Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium Edition (6.0, Build 6000)
I 19:06:40 Total Physical Memory: 1,963,968 KB - Available: 979,580 KB
I 19:06:40 Initialising SPTI...
I 19:06:40 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 19:06:40 Found 1 DVD±RW/RAM!
I 19:10:15 Operation Started!
I 19:10:15 Source File: C:\Users\walter\Documents\create dvd\star wars\PHANTOM_MENACE.ISO
I 19:10:15 Source File Sectors: 2,285,873 (MODE1/2048)
I 19:10:15 Source File Size: 4,681,467,904 bytes
I 19:10:15 Source File Volume Identifier: PHANTOM_MENACE
I 19:10:15 Source File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink
I 19:10:15 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
I 19:10:15 Destination Device: [2:1:0] TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H653L 0414 (E:) (RAID)
I 19:10:15 Destination Media Type: DVD+R (Disc ID: MCC-003-00) (Speeds: 4x, 6x, 8x)
I 19:10:15 Destination Media Sectors: 2,295,104
I 19:10:15 Write Mode: DVD
I 19:10:15 Write Type: DAO
I 19:10:15 Write Speed: 8x
I 19:10:15 Link Size: Auto
I 19:10:15 Test Mode: No
I 19:10:15 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 19:10:15 Filling Buffer... (40 MB)
I 19:10:16 Writing LeadIn...
I 19:10:39 Writing Image... (LBA: 0 - 2285872)
I 19:21:14 Synchronising Cache...
W 19:21:17 Potential 'WaitImmediateIO' Deferred Error - (0/2) - A device attached to the system is not functioning.
I 20:24:30 Closing Track...
I 20:24:36 Finalising Disc...
I 20:24:51 Image MD5: d698e5e5371767b0bfc6fb1010b09438
I 20:24:51 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 01:14:36
I 20:24:51 Average Write Rate: 7,199 KB/s (5.2x) - Maximum Write Rate: 11,133 KB/s (8.0x)
I 20:24:51 Cycling Tray before Verify...
W 20:24:57 Waiting for device to become ready...
I 20:25:14 Device Ready!
I 20:25:14 Operation Started!
I 20:25:14 Source Device: [2:1:0] TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H653L 0414 (E:) (RAID)
I 20:25:14 Source Media Type: DVD+R (Book Type: DVD-ROM) (Disc ID: MCC-003-00) (Speeds: 4x, 6x, 8x)
I 20:25:14 Image File: C:\Users\walter\Documents\create dvd\star wars\PHANTOM_MENACE.ISO
I 20:25:14 Image File Sectors: 2,285,873 (MODE1/2048)
I 20:25:14 Image File Size: 4,681,467,904 bytes
I 20:25:14 Image File Volume Identifier: PHANTOM_MENACE
I 20:25:14 Image File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink
I 20:25:14 Image File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
I 20:25:14 Verifying Sectors... (LBA: 0 - 2285872)
W 21:08:39 Failed to Read Sector 1426656 - Timeout on Logical Unit
W 21:08:39 Sector 1426656 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_06_3.VOB
W 21:08:48 Failed to Read Sector 1426657 - Timeout on Logical Unit
W 21:08:48 Sector 1426657 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_06_3.VOB
E 21:08:55 Failed to Read Sector 1426658 - Timeout on Logical Unit
E 21:08:55 Sector 1426658 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_06_3.VOB
E 21:08:56 Failed to Verify Sectors!
E 21:08:56 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:43:41
I 21:08:56 Average Verify Rate: 1,088 KB/s (0.8x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 3,368 KB/s (2.4x)

[Chewy]

TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H653L 0414 (E (RAID)

did you load any drivers?

[wzabawa]

no, this is a brand new computer only a few months old

[Chewy]

what's the model number?

[wzabawa]

HP pavillion media center, m7750n
amd athlon 64 x2 dual core proc. 5000+ 2.60 Ghz

[Chewy]

http://www.videohelp.com/dvdwriters?DVDnameid=1856&Search=Search&list=2

google leads me in a circle back to miles and art

another quirk

Duration: 01:14:36

[wzabawa]

are you questioning the long times? that's because I started it and walked away, error hits and sits untill I came back. I can't stand to sit and watch another coaster in the making anymore.

This is really starting to piss me off, I don't know if it's Vista, but I would still get rid of it in a heart beat.

[Chewy]

Potential 'WaitImmediateIO' Deferred Error - (0/2) - A device attached to the system is not functioning

that's the error, try miles's suggestions

[wzabawa]

I'm looking under IMGBrn "settings" but I can't find anything about the following: "I turned off auto insert notification and set all the AutoPlay settings to Do Nothing. "

[Dan]

I'm looking under IMGBrn "settings" but I can't find anything about the following: "I turned off auto insert notification and set all the AutoPlay settings to Do Nothing. "

Look under Tools - Settings - Write - "Lock Volume Exclusive Access" is about half way down on the left, remove check mark.

Under Tools - Settings - Device - "Lock Tray During" you can lock or not lock during Read, Write, Verify, Erase.

Auto Insert Notification is under Devices also, but that is for the OS, not ImgBurn.

[MilesAhead]

I'm looking under IMGBrn "settings" but I can't find anything about the following: "I turned off auto insert notification and set all the AutoPlay settings to Do Nothing. "

Hi. My machine is HP Media Center m8000n. In Imgburn Device settings I have Disable Media Change Notification checked, Auto Insert Notification is unchecked, all 4 "Lock Tray During..." are checked. Under General Tab in Imgburn Shell Extensions AutoPlay - Blank CD/DVD and DVD boxes are both unchecked.

In the Vista OS I set the drives Region Code to 1 and then set all the AutoPlay options to Do Nothing.

My machine came out a bit later so I'm thinking too that the Vista on this machine may have a few more fixes. After all the tweaking it seems like the drive doesn't make coasters but for any video I'm really concerned about getting a good burn I lob it over the Lan to my machine with the LG burner. If I didn't have another machine with a burner I'd consider getting a better drive... but I hate to open boxes anymore. I've gotten fat and lazy.

Hope some of these settings prove useful. Seems they scrambled all the damn settings in Control Panel around so instead of hunting for stuff I just google on everything. Like "Vista Flicker" to find the user interface settings
that cause flicker etc..

Other than the burner I love this AMD machine. It's a shame they had to put such a mediocre drive in the thing. :(

[MilesAhead]

Oh yeah I forgot about the firmware update. My drive came with 0514
firmware revision. When I searched the HP site all I could find was
version 0414 for download. Kind of strange.

[wzabawa]

Man, you guys, I thought all this was going to be the answer to many prayers. But just as I feared, same freakin deal, same errors. I know I used the oh, not so recommended dvd (a Memorex, CMC) but like I said before, I'm fearing the coasters. I think I'm going to start having nightmares that they're all flying at me, like that scary movie with the chrome ball.

Anyway, here's the log, the only thing that did not change was the "Auto Insert Notification", I unchecked it, and it said It wouldn't take affect untill I reboot, and I did, but it changed back to checked?

Please anything, I'm about 2 seconds from pitching a real bitch to someone and taking this thing back. I'm begging you all!!

Do you think it is still due to the dvd brand?

I 20:12:46 ImgBurn Version 2.3.2.0 started!
I 20:12:46 Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium Edition (6.0, Build 6000)
I 20:12:46 Total Physical Memory: 1,963,968 KB - Available: 1,126,988 KB
I 20:12:46 Initialising SPTI...
I 20:12:46 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 20:12:46 Found 1 DVD±RW/RAM!
I 20:14:39 Operation Started!
I 20:14:39 Source File: C:\Users\walter\Documents\create dvd\polar express\THE_POLAR_EXPRESS_DISC_1.ISO
I 20:14:39 Source File Sectors: 2,285,852 (MODE1/2048)
I 20:14:39 Source File Size: 4,681,424,896 bytes
I 20:14:39 Source File Volume Identifier: THE_POLAR_EXPRESS_DISC_1
I 20:14:39 Source File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink
I 20:14:39 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
I 20:14:39 Destination Device: [2:1:0] TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H653L 0414 (E:) (RAID)
I 20:14:39 Destination Media Type: DVD+R (Disc ID: CMC MAG-M01-00) (Speeds: 4x, 8x, 12x, 16x)
I 20:14:39 Destination Media Sectors: 2,295,104
I 20:14:39 Write Mode: DVD
I 20:14:39 Write Type: DAO
I 20:14:39 Write Speed: 8x
I 20:14:39 Link Size: Auto
I 20:14:39 Test Mode: No
I 20:14:39 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 20:14:40 Filling Buffer... (40 MB)
I 20:14:43 Writing LeadIn...
I 20:15:03 Writing Image... (LBA: 0 - 2285851)
I 20:24:46 Synchronising Cache...
W 20:24:49 Potential 'WaitImmediateIO' Deferred Error - (0/2) - A device attached to the system is not functioning.
I 20:25:08 Closing Track...
I 20:25:12 Finalising Disc...
I 20:25:28 Image MD5: a3ef81e45875d1bb3513116da256c93b
I 20:25:28 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:10:48
I 20:25:28 Average Write Rate: 7,855 KB/s (5.7x) - Maximum Write Rate: 10,609 KB/s (7.7x)
I 20:25:28 Cycling Tray before Verify...
W 20:25:34 Waiting for device to become ready...
I 20:25:51 Device Ready!
I 20:25:52 Operation Started!
I 20:25:52 Source Device: [2:1:0] TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H653L 0414 (E:) (RAID)
I 20:25:52 Source Media Type: DVD+R (Book Type: DVD-ROM) (Disc ID: CMC MAG-M01-00) (Speeds: 4x, 8x, 12x, 16x)
I 20:25:52 Image File: C:\Users\walter\Documents\create dvd\polar express\THE_POLAR_EXPRESS_DISC_1.ISO
I 20:25:52 Image File Sectors: 2,285,852 (MODE1/2048)
I 20:25:52 Image File Size: 4,681,424,896 bytes
I 20:25:52 Image File Volume Identifier: THE_POLAR_EXPRESS_DISC_1
I 20:25:52 Image File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink
I 20:25:52 Image File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
I 20:25:52 Verifying Sectors... (LBA: 0 - 2285851)
W 20:28:05 Failed to Read Sector 0 - Timeout on Logical Unit
W 20:28:16 Failed to Read Sector 1 - Timeout on Logical Unit
W 20:28:24 Failed to Read Sector 2 - Timeout on Logical Unit
E 20:28:33 Failed to Read Sector 3 - Timeout on Logical Unit
E 20:28:33 Failed to Verify Sectors!
E 20:28:33 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:02:41
I 20:28:33 Average Verify Rate: 0 KB/s (0.0x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 0 KB/s (0.0x)

[MilesAhead]

My suggestions would be to get a 5 pack of
DVD+RW to reduce the stress from burning
coasters. Also looks like a problem during
Synchronizing Cache. My old burner would hang on
Synchronizing Cache on the newer versions of Imgburn until
I updated the firmware. But it did work with
Imgburn 1.0. You could try downloading Imgburn
1.0 and see if it acts differently.

The other thing is I'd try to get that
AutoInsert shut off. On my system I couldn't get any
discs to finalize on the first attempt until I
disabled all those AutoInsert/AutoPlay settings.