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Old 19 Jun 2005, 09:00 PM   #1
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i have a video that is in Japanese language and has english subs from the .idx & .sub sub files.. i can convert the video, etc to dvd but i wish to convert them subtitles also for dvd.. but i have tried a number of tools and none seem to work.. can anyone help?
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Hi morphix,

is that video dvd or from some other origin (avi,mpeg)?Are those english subtitles implemented in video stream or seperate?

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Old 20 Jun 2005, 04:02 AM   #3
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If he has the .idx and .sub, then they're obviously separate.
Advanced authoring tools, such as DVDLab Pro will work.
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Old 20 Jun 2005, 07:56 AM   #4
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If he has the .idx and .sub, then they're obviously separate.
@reboot: i donīt like this ironical tone, reboot


@morphix:
well okay, actually i was a bit confused about this "video" explanation..so my recommendation is you download a tool called "Muxman" here:

Muxman:
http://www.mpucoder.com/Muxman/

and also..

VobSub v2.23:
http://www.free-codecs.com/download/VobSub.htm

Install VobSub and start app called "SubResync". Load your subtitles (*.idx)
and choose which language (english i guess) you like to keep. Save as Scenarits (*.sst) and start Muxman. Now load video and audio and subtitle (*.sst) and join to a single dvd-vob project which can be burned using nero (enable dvd video) and copy into video_ts folder.

thats it

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yeh its originally an avi with the subs seperate, thanks for the info you 2 i will try those methods and reply letting u know my success or my failure.. i hope it works
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Hi morphix,

okay so you have an avi . Thats needs to be converted to mpeg (elementary video mpv or m2v and audio mp2/or ac3 streams) before it can be imported into muxman. Long way to go....

so i would therefore recommend another way to keep it
easier and handable for you...

Start "SubMux" which comes along with VobSub and mux/join together avi and subtitles (windows explorer drag and drop) then download freeware vsoDivxToDVD here:

http://www.free-codecs.com/download/DivXToDVD.htm

It easily creates a dvd structure from your avi file including subtitles. Ready to burn

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Old 21 Jun 2005, 08:01 PM   #7
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thanks for the avi to dvd thing.. but i know that.. i use CCE and a number of other tools to get it all good.. but back to the subs.. i did what u said.. added the subs.. but they appear an odd green colour on screen and blurry.. i'm just able to read them.. whats the problem there?
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Hi morphix,

load subs(idx/sub) in VobSub Configure (during first installation of vobsub make sure also to enable vobsub filter) and put another color underneath and save and repeat procedure.

also here is a good guide:
http://www.videohelp.com/forum/userguides/87065.php

if nothing works...just do the muxman and conversion procedure as mentioned above in my first post. If you are familiar with encoding to dvd
related formats do it with TMPgenc and enable "split audio and video" stream
before encoding. Then load video, audio and subtitles in muxman.

hope it helps
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i dont quite get what u mean? add colour then repeat? eh?
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Hi morphix,

have a look at my link given above http://www.videohelp.com/forum/userguides/87065.php

There youīll find a position "Scenario 4--AVISYNTH--" and you can use SubResync (it is also possible in vobsub filter but i do not see it straight away) to change the properties of your subs also there colors could be changed.

...i did a permanent sub implementation once using this technique and vobsub v2.23 (enable all filters during installation of vobsub) http://www.videohelp.com/subsvirtual.htm

...otherwise convert avi -> (dvd compatible) mpeg with tmpgenc or tmpgplus
and enable "elementary stream output". Convert subs in subresync to
scenarits (*.sst) and mux all together in muxman.This would be the
safest way i guess...
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unfortunatly no luck.. the text colour is still green when playing back the dvd :@
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Old 24 Jun 2005, 06:57 PM   #12
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i really dont know whats going on there morphix. You could follow reboots recommendation and try dvdlab pro. He has done a great guide on this. Have a look at his signature.

sorry i could not help
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Old 6 Aug 2005, 10:14 PM   #13
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Originally I intended to use .idx and .sub files. But thx to you I discovered the dvdlab pro which is capable of handing of .srt files - in theory.
Practically these subs (from .srt-s) doesn't appear in the tv screen.
When I push the "subtitle" button the "subtitle off" appeares and when I push it again I get an "english 01/01" message, but there is no subtitle at all in the tv!
How could this happen?
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Hi guys,

i am also a newbie on this but have had some success implementing subtitles permanently in some mpeg2 video using Virtualdubmod and its Frameserver- to import it in TMPGenc.An easier way but with less quality output you could also use Magic DVD Ripper which does this if you rip from directly of the dvd. The subtitles are permanently encoded into the mpg/divx stream.But thats a different story.

So basically what i found out now is the following:
Subtitles in vobīs are stored in pictures like those extracted with Vobsub extracting binary - sub+idx pairs. Dont know why they do it, because the space those subs needed is 50x text based subs, but anyhow back to the subs.
Also there are text based subs around which made by a OCR technique using tools like Subrip and also a tool which comes within VobSub called Subresync which does this job.Its believed the best tool for this OCR job is Subrip and not Subresync.

Text based subs are stored in the following formats:
sst, srt, attention: also with *.sub extension, ssa and some more.


creation of text subs:
Use some Sub-OCR tool like Subrip and afterwards those srt/sst subs can be used in author software without problems.

using those graphical idx/subs:
So, if you have a simple movie (mpeg) and idx, sub pairs i found out some way (i tried also DVDLab pro but it doesnt import my test idx,sub pairs) to create some dvd with those pictured subs but the color of the subs are jurky.
And i dont know how to get around it....

this is what i did:
- downloaded SubToSup to convert idx/sub to DVD Subtitles *.sup
http://www.videohelp.com/tools?tool=SubToSup
- Muxman to mux audio (ac3), video (mpv) and subtitle (sup) to a dvd
http://www.videohelp.com/tools?tool=Muxman

It works but as said the subtitles are jurky and colored....but there`s also a way using IfoEdit and those created *sup file.Start IfoEdit and use the DVD author mode to create a new dvd with subtitles.
hereīs another guide:
http://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=245188

But the problem with all those graphic solutions i found out is that the quality of the subs is very poor and color also has to be changed....

I really recommend to use SubRip to OCR those subs....and after some entered letters it learns very fast! Only takes 15 minutes to get those text- subs done.


greetings
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>>There are some questions which got my interest but i couldnīt cover<<
- why canīt muxman import idx/sub pairs?
- how to import idx/sub pairs in DVDLab pro?
- what program creates textbased *.subīs? And is this really the correct
extension?
- is OCR still the only way to transcode graphic pictures to text based subs?
- why does the dvd authoring industry choose a graphical *not very handy*
subtitle format?
- why cant i mux graphical subs in Vobsubs tool called "SubMux" like i can
in Muxman?
- whats the difference between sup/subs?Why arenīt those subs ripped
to sups then?

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