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Old 29 Aug 2005, 12:14 AM   #1
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i would like to show you four screenshots here, which show that:

1) a freeware encoder like HC ENC can be better than cce

2) filtering might prove useful

take a close look at the soldier standing in the door and at the edges of the text



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original source - no encoder/no filtering





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HC ENC





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CCE





4.
PRO CODER 2 with filtering






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the movie was quite noisy and thus i decided to use procoder2 (which is my favourite encoder) together with undot and fluxsmooth and i like the results, which procoder2 + filtering gave my even better than the source material

c.f. here if you're interested in how filtering was achieved

i think one can clearly see that hc did produce much less blockiness on many areas of the picture, whereas cce's output is rather crappy

of course we're dealing with low bitrate conversion here, as the title (Der Untergang - an impressive german movie on the last days of hitler in berlin) is failry long and i did want to keep all extras/bonus material

but it is not the first whole length movie comparison i did, that showed, hc is not only competative but sometimes (i.e. in low bitrate scenes) even better than cce (2.70 in this case)

moreover, i think one can see that every now and then a little filtering might even improve the original material, when studios didnt care too much to provide an ultra clean source
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Old 29 Aug 2005, 12:37 AM   #2
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Is the text a subtitle stream (RLE) or on the vid? I'd say the latter very impressive on Pro2 - even better than orig as you say.

No doubt, CCE is not good at low bit rate.

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the text is part of the movie, no subtitle
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Better than a remaster - the studios ought to use it as their encoder.

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Old 29 Aug 2005, 12:58 AM   #5
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hc's quality mode was set to best, which i always use
(just as i always use procoder with the best profile "mastering quality")
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