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  • doctorhardware
    Lord of Digital Video
    Lord of Digital Video
    • Dec 2006
    • 1907

    Problem with motherboard

    I have a system that I am trying to install 2 gigs of memory, DDR1 512meg 400MHz. The motherboard is a Machspeed model MSNV-939. This memory is also low density, which is 64 x 8. When all 4 memory sticks are installed the system will not boot. But if I place the memory in channels 1 and 2 the system will boot up. If I use the proper placement of the memory which would be 1 and 3 which is channel 1, the system will not boot up. This is also the same if I use channel 2 which is 2 and 4. I have contacted Machspeed this is what there recommendations.


    Isolating the board eliminates the possibility of the unit shorting out in the case, as well as lowering the number of items that could be causing an issue with your system. To isolate the board, you will need to remove it from the case (if already installed), and place it on a static free surface. The foam padding and the anti-static bag that the board came in work well for this. Set the motherboard up on this item on a desk or a table.

    <?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O /><O> </O> Once you have the motherboard removed, you will only want these items connected to it:
    • CPU (Processor)
    • CPU Fan
    • A single(1) Stick of memory (in the DIMM slot closest to the CPU)
    • Power from your Power supply
    • Monitor connected to the on board video (VGA card if board is non-integrated)






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    </TD></TR><TR><TD>Isolating the board eliminates the possibility of the unit shorting out in the case, as well as lowering the number of items that could be causing an issue with your system.
    To isolate the board, you will need to remove it from the case (if already installed), and place it on a static free surface. The foam padding and the anti-static bag that the board came in work well for this. Set the motherboard up on this item on a desk or a table.
    <O> </O> Once you have the motherboard removed, you will only want these items connected to it:
    • CPU (Processor)
    • CPU Fan
    • A single(1) Stick of memory (in the DIMM slot closest to the CPU)
    • Power from your Power supply
    • Monitor connected to the on board video (VGA card if board is non-integrated)

    Picture of motherboard isolated
    Once you have your system set up like this, find the two pins on the motherboard that you had connected your power switch or power button was connected to. Using a screwdriver, butter-knife, or other flat piece of metal briefly touch both of those two pins. This will close the circuit and start the motherboard. At this point, if your fans spin, and your monitor activates (POST), then you were having a grounding issue.
    If you are having a grounding issue, please ensure that you are using standoff posts.

    Picture of motherboard mounted properly on standoff post
    Lay the computer back in the case, on the standoff posts, and power it back on, If you are still able to get POST, then shut the machine down, and screw the board in to the standoff posts. Be careful not to over-tighten the screws. Start the motherboard back up, and if you are still getting POST, shut down and connect your power switch, continue like this, connecting a single item and re-POSTing between each, until you find the item that was causing the issue.

    IMHO this is not the problem, But I guess that I will try this even though it is a big waste of time. I have been going round and round with this problem. I am wondering if it might be a problem created by a WOW patch. The original memory was Kbyte 512Meg memory. I am baffled by this problem.

    Thanks in advance for any recommendations for solutions to this problem
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  • Chewy
    Super Moderator
    • Nov 2003
    • 18971

    #2
    Initial release BIOS. No new BIOS at this time
    that's unforgivable

    post the overclock memory info from everest with both matched? sets in bootable
    non dual channel configurations

    I need to look at the spd tables

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    • doctorhardware
      Lord of Digital Video
      Lord of Digital Video
      • Dec 2006
      • 1907

      #3
      I am reading this post from work will try to get it done tonight time permitting. Thanks Chewy.
      Star Baby Girl, Born March,1997 Died June 30th 2007 6:35 PM.

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      • Chewy
        Super Moderator
        • Nov 2003
        • 18971

        #4
        no bios guide w/ that mobo but they talk about not using doublesided memory in all 4 slots?

        sounds like dual channel breaks easily, I am assuming the matched pairs don't match each other?

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        • doctorhardware
          Lord of Digital Video
          Lord of Digital Video
          • Dec 2006
          • 1907

          #5
          I have the mother board manual, that little tidbit has not made into the manual that I have here. The manual show that you can use both SS/dS memory modules. I have not been home very log. Long day at work.
          Star Baby Girl, Born March,1997 Died June 30th 2007 6:35 PM.

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          • Chewy
            Super Moderator
            • Nov 2003
            • 18971

            #6
            Use identical memory modules to use dual channel mode, and DO NOT use three individual sticks of memory as it may cause failures. Please use either 1 piece, 2 pieces, or 4 pieces. Refer to your manual for proper memory configurations for your motherboard.

            Maximum memory speed may decrease when the following memory combination is used:
            - Each memory slot is installed with double-sided memory
            - Both DIMM1 and DIMM3 are installed with double-sided memory module (for motherboards with 4 DIMM sockets)
            Due to resource usage by the South Bridge chipset, system memory may only detect up to 3.9 GB (not the full 4GB) when each DIMM is installed with a 1GB memory stick. To utilize a full 4GB of system memory, you will need to use 2x 2GB sticks of memory

            looks like a mess

            any way to turn off dual channel?

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            • doctorhardware
              Lord of Digital Video
              Lord of Digital Video
              • Dec 2006
              • 1907

              #7
              Chewy,

              I am using 4 sticks 512meg d/s low density memory(64 x 8). I am going to run the everest and post the results tomorrow. I am using the stock settings with no over clocking of the memory and cpu.
              Star Baby Girl, Born March,1997 Died June 30th 2007 6:35 PM.

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              • Chewy
                Super Moderator
                • Nov 2003
                • 18971

                #8
                My best guess is, from earlier problems I have seen with other boards, using 2 seperate sets and auto settings, the board is misreading the spd and attempting to run all in dual channel, one set is inferior and being pushed too hard

                a lot of boards have issues with all 4 slots populated anyway

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                • atifsh
                  Lord of Digital Video
                  Lord of Digital Video
                  • May 2003
                  • 1534

                  #9
                  Originally Posted by Chewy
                  a lot of boards have issues with all 4 slots populated anyway

                  glad not the case with mine, using 4 slot to make 3 gb next upgrade would be 800 bus, but then i think why.... i already under uses this setup.

                  i also think it could be a SPD issue. few days back iv fixed one computer by just changing the ram from one brand to other cause one was not correctly setup by auto SPD, i had to manual change it to boot, changed that module with new kingston and now its fine. old one was corsair
                  Last edited by atifsh; 23 Mar 2008, 03:36 AM.
                  Seems like as soon you buy somehing, v. 2 comes out 1.5 times as fast!..!

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                  • doctorhardware
                    Lord of Digital Video
                    Lord of Digital Video
                    • Dec 2006
                    • 1907

                    #10
                    I have the everest report for the computer in question. Everest is reporting the motherboard manufacture as Biostar.That is funny the box that the motherboard came in is supposedly made by Mach Speed. Looks like Mach Speed buys factory seconds? I will post The everest report later. I am taking a look at the Wife's truck rear brakes. They are starting to make a slight grinding nosie. So I will post the everest log later after I am finished with the brakes. At least the sun is out it is 36 degrees here today.
                    Star Baby Girl, Born March,1997 Died June 30th 2007 6:35 PM.

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                    • soup
                      Just Trying To Help
                      • Nov 2005
                      • 7524

                      #11
                      I am taking a look at the Wife's truck rear brakes.
                      Must be a real good relationship then, if a husband tells his wife he is going to look at her brakes & she is okay with that.

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                      • doctorhardware
                        Lord of Digital Video
                        Lord of Digital Video
                        • Dec 2006
                        • 1907

                        #12
                        She said that they were just starting to grind a little bit. Replaced the brake pads and no more grinding noise. I can't complain it was 4 years ago that the brake pads were replaced.
                        Last edited by doctorhardware; 30 Mar 2008, 05:42 AM.
                        Star Baby Girl, Born March,1997 Died June 30th 2007 6:35 PM.

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                        • doctorhardware
                          Lord of Digital Video
                          Lord of Digital Video
                          • Dec 2006
                          • 1907

                          #13
                          Ok here is the Everest report for the Mach Speed motherboard.




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                          • Chewy
                            Super Moderator
                            • Nov 2003
                            • 18971

                            #14
                            Motherboard Name Biostar iDEQ 330P (K8NBD) / N4SLI-A9 / NF4ST-A9 / NF4UL-A9
                            Chipset Properties:
                            Motherboard Chipset nVIDIA nForce4, AMD Hammer
                            Memory Timings 3-3-3-8 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
                            Command Rate (CR) 2T

                            SPD Memory Modules:
                            DIMM2 512 MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (3.0-3-3-8 @ 200 MHz) (2.5-3-3-7 @ 166 MHz) (2.0-2-2-6 @ 133 MHz)
                            DIMM4 512 MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (3.0-3-3-8 @ 200 MHz) (2.5-3-3-7 @ 166 MHz) (2.0-2-2-6 @ 133 MHz)

                            BIOS Properties:
                            System BIOS Date 03/13/07

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                            • doctorhardware
                              Lord of Digital Video
                              Lord of Digital Video
                              • Dec 2006
                              • 1907

                              #15
                              So Chewy do you think I should start to tweak the memery settings and maybe use a biostar bios update? Or would it be a waste of time.

                              Purchased a MSI K8N NEO4-F version 3 motherboard. Was on MSI web site and there has been 3 bios relases and the intial bios release.
                              Star Baby Girl, Born March,1997 Died June 30th 2007 6:35 PM.

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