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**LIGHTNING UK!** · 8 Jan 2007, 06:28 PM

The driver probably doesn't like that DVD+RW media you're using all that much.

Forget DVD+RW for now (unless you can find some others that work) and just go for proper DVD+R or DVD-R media.

Take a look around and see if there are any firmware updates for your drive too.

**Chewy** · 8 Jan 2007, 08:11 PM

I am pretty sure that's a btc drive, seems like I remember the last guy with one having to try several different firmwares to get the latest one to take?

might be better to just get a new dvd burner than fool with that old one

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**rdkapp** · 9 Jan 2007, 01:40 AM

Originally Posted by Chewy

I am pretty sure that's a btc drive, seems like I remember the last guy with one having to try several different firmwares to get the latest one to take?

might be better to just get a new dvd burner than fool with that old one

It is a btc drive, Chewy. And since my initial post, I did some digging around on www.videohelp.com and noticed that my btc drive had updated firmware and came with a live update utility that I hadn't installed. I installed it and voila, it immediately found and updated the firmware for my btc drive. I haven't tried to burn again yet, but I'm not ready to give up on the burner. The feedback on videohelp.com for my drive is about 50%-50%, w/several reviewers stating that it burns well on all media, including cheap no-name brands. So, I feel that I should at least give it a few tries before giving up.

Originally Posted by LIGHTNING UK!

The driver probably doesn't like that DVD+RW media you're using all that much.

Forget DVD+RW for now (unless you can find some others that work) and just go for proper DVD+R or DVD-R media.

Take a look around and see if there are any firmware updates for your drive too.

Thanks for the reply, Lightning UK! Since I've upgraded my firmware (see above), do you think I should retry the DVD+RWs? My intention all along was to do a test DVD+RW and then, if it works, burn it to a DVD+R.

Also, if I can't erase the previous DVD+RW with Img Burn, is it now a permanent coaster, or is there some other method of erasing/re-formatting that DVD+RW?

And, finally, if it's a permanent coaster, do you think the initial overburn killed the disk, or was it the subsequent burn attempt at the MAX speed setting? Just curious.

**Chewy** · 9 Jan 2007, 02:43 AM

always try to save the burner if it works, a lot of people won't update firmware, and when you tell them to buy a new burner, they change their mind

**rdkapp** · 9 Jan 2007, 02:59 AM

Originally Posted by Chewy

always try to save the burner if it works, a lot of people won't update firmware, and when you tell them to buy a new burner, they change their mind

LOL. Either I'm not that lazy, or I'm just more comfortable than the average user to update firmware, drivers, hardware, software, etc. Thanks for the reply, Chewy, but what about my questions posed at the end of my previous post? Do you have any feedback on them?

**Chewy** · 9 Jan 2007, 03:56 AM

the reason I didn't answer was I don't use rw's at all, threw some away last year that were given to me after I had issues with them and nero, which was to be expected.

they burn out so easily and regular dvd- and + r's are so cheap why waste time with rw's

all I know is use imgburn to do a full format

**rdkapp** · 9 Jan 2007, 04:15 AM

Originally Posted by Chewy

the reason I didn't answer was I don't use rw's at all, threw some away last year that were given to me after I had issues with them and nero, which was to be expected.

they burn out so easily and regular dvd- and + r's are so cheap why waste time with rw's

all I know is use imgburn to do a full format

Thanks again, Chewy. Perhaps Lightning UK or Blutach will be able to shed some light. In fact, it is Blutach's advice that I am following, attempting a test burn to DVD+RW.

**LIGHTNING UK!** · 9 Jan 2007, 08:08 AM

There's no harm in trying to format the DVD+RW again, just be sure to do a 'Full' format on it (i.e. don't select the 'Quick' option!).

If it still won't format, try and find someone with a different burner and try again in theirs. You could also give 'Discovery' mode a go. It'll write zeroes to all the sectors on the disc. You never know, if there was some little issue, repeated attempts at writing to the sectors might fix it?!

As for testing on DVD+RW before burning to DVD+R, unless you specifically wanted to test in your player, why not just make an ISO, mount it in DAEMON Tools and then use your normal PC based DVD playback software for the testing?

If you decide to stick with the DVD+RW testing method and are not worried about spending a few quid, try and find somewhere that stocks lots of different DVD+RW and buy a couple of each. Obviously you're only looking at getting ones with different dyes, the 'brand' name means very little. I found the 4x RICOH ones to be pretty good.

**rdkapp** · 9 Jan 2007, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by LIGHTNING UK!

There's no harm in trying to format the DVD+RW again, just be sure to do a 'Full' format on it (i.e. don't select the 'Quick' option!).

If it still won't format, try and find someone with a different burner and try again in theirs. You could also give 'Discovery' mode a go. It'll write zeroes to all the sectors on the disc. You never know, if there was some little issue, repeated attempts at writing to the sectors might fix it?!

I tried several 'Full' Erase Disc in 'Discovery' mode as well as 'Full' Erase Disc in 'Write' mode, but neither worked. It never moves past 0% and then times out after a few minutes. Here's the log from the last 'Discovery' mode erase attempt:

I 19:07:56 Operation Started!
I 19:07:56 Device: [0:0:0] DVDRW IDE 16X A091 (F : ) (ATA)
I 19:07:56 Media Type: DVD+RW (Disc ID: PHILIPS-041-00) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x)
I 19:07:56 Quick Erase: No
I 19:07:56 Erasing Disc...
W 19:09:56 Potential 'WaitImmediateIO' Deferred Error - (0/4) - Write Error
E 19:10:00 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:02:04

Anything of note in the log? I'll have to seek out someone locally with a DVD burner.

Originally Posted by LIGHTNING UK!

As for testing on DVD+RW before burning to DVD+R, unless you specifically wanted to test in your player, why not just make an ISO, mount it in DAEMON Tools and then use your normal PC based DVD playback software for the testing?

I tested the reauthored video from my hard drive before making an ISO. It played fine. Is that not a true test? What is DAEMON Tools, what does "mount it" mean, and where do I find DAEMON Tools?

Originally Posted by LIGHTNING UK!

If you decide to stick with the DVD+RW testing method and are not worried about spending a few quid, try and find somewhere that stocks lots of different DVD+RW and buy a couple of each. Obviously you're only looking at getting ones with different dyes, the 'brand' name means very little. I found the 4x RICOH ones to be pretty good.

I looked around for the 4x RICOH DVD+RWs, but could not locate them, except on the Ricoh website, but their store is apparently down. Do you have any ideas on where to buy them? I saw somewhere (either www.videohelp.com or www.cdfreaks.com) that the 4x RICOHs worked well with my btc drive. Thanks for hanging in there with me. I really want to solve this issue or at least come up with a good alternative plan.

**rdkapp** · 18 Jan 2007, 10:16 AM

Follow up

I gave up on the previous DVD+RW, but not on my quest. I pulled out another DVD+RW (same brand, same Box, same ID) and decided to try some different things. I slowed the speed down to 1X and decided to completely leave my computer alone, to avoid any multi-tasking whatsoever. It worked! And, it played in all of my computer based dvd-roms and in 2 of my 4 stand alone dvd players. One stand alone that it wouldn't play well in is my newest (less than 1 yr old) Samsung HD-755. It played but the video and audio were very sporadic, skipping and jumping around.

Being a DVD+RW, I decided to experiment some, so I erased and started over, increasing the write speed to 2.4X. It worked again with roughly the same playback results. I say "roughly," because there appeared to be some improvement in the Samsung's playback.

Next, I decided to burn at 4X and it worked again, but this time, the playback was great on the Samsung. So, I determined that my best results on the Philips DVD+RWs were achieved at a write speed of 4X, the top recommended speed of the media.

So, now I'm ready to burn it to DVD+R at 4X. It got almost all the way through the verify process when it started giving me sector errors. The error is in the very last chapter of the movie and the backup plays up until that point and then stops. Here's the log:

I 22:23:52 ImgBurn Version 2.1.0.0 started!
I 22:23:52 Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)
I 22:23:52 Initialising SPTI...
I 22:23:53 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 22:23:53 Found 1 DVDÂ±RW!
I 22:25:26 Operation Started!
I 22:25:26 Source File: E:\TheWeddingPlanner.ISO
I 22:25:26 Source File Sectors: 2,285,904 (MODE1/2048)
I 22:25:26 Source File Size: 4,681,531,392 bytes
I 22:25:26 Source File Volume Identifier: RIPPED
I 22:25:26 Source File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink
I 22:25:27 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
I 22:25:27 Destination Device: [0:0:0] DVDRW IDE 16X A091 (F: ) (ATA)
I 22:25:27 Destination Media Type: DVD+R (Disc ID: LD-S03-00) (Speeds: 4x, 8x)
I 22:25:27 Destination Media Sectors: 2,295,104
I 22:25:27 Write Mode: DVD
I 22:25:27 Write Type: DAO
I 22:25:27 Write Speed: 4x
I 22:25:27 Link Size: Auto
I 22:25:27 Test Mode: No
I 22:25:27 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 22:25:27 Filling Buffer...
I 22:25:28 Writing LeadIn...
I 22:25:43 Writing Image...
I 22:39:45 Synchronising Cache...
I 22:39:46 Closing Track...
I 22:39:49 Finalising Disc...
I 22:40:06 Image MD5: 9675eafcNero Serial Removed
I 22:40:07 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:14:40
I 22:40:07 Average Write Rate: 5,429 KB/s (3.9x) - Maximum Write Rate: 5,592 KB/s (4.0x)
I 22:40:07 Cycling Tray before Verify...
W 22:40:13 Waiting for device to become ready...
I 22:40:25 Device Ready!
I 22:40:25 Operation Started!
I 22:40:25 Source Device: [0:0:0] DVDRW IDE 16X A091 (F: ) (ATA)
I 22:40:25 Source Media Type: DVD+R (Book Type: DVD+R) (Disc ID: LD-S03-00) (Speeds: 4x, 8x)
I 22:40:25 Image File: E:\TheWeddingPlanner.ISO
I 22:40:25 Image File Sectors: 2,285,904 (MODE1/2048)
I 22:40:25 Image File Size: 4,681,531,392 bytes
I 22:40:25 Image File Volume Identifier: RIPPED
I 22:40:25 Image File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink
I 22:40:25 Image File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
I 22:40:25 Verifying Sectors...
W 22:52:07 Failed to read Sector 2115952 - Timeout on Logical Unit
W 22:52:08 Sector 2115952 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_12_5.VOB
W 22:52:18 Failed to read Sector 2115953 - Timeout on Logical Unit
W 22:52:18 Sector 2115953 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_12_5.VOB
W 22:52:27 Failed to read Sector 2115954 - Timeout on Logical Unit
W 22:52:27 Sector 2115954 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_12_5.VOB
W 22:52:34 Failed to read Sector 2115955 - Timeout on Logical Unit
W 22:52:34 Sector 2115955 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_12_5.VOB
W 22:52:42 Failed to read Sector 2115956 - Timeout on Logical Unit
W 22:52:42 Sector 2115956 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_12_5.VOB
W 22:52:55 Failed to read Sector 2115957 - Timeout on Logical Unit
W 22:52:55 Sector 2115957 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_12_5.VOB
W 22:53:02 Failed to read Sector 2115958 - Timeout on Logical Unit
W 22:53:02 Sector 2115958 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_12_5.VOB
W 22:53:10 Failed to read Sector 2115959 - Timeout on Logical Unit
W 22:53:10 Sector 2115959 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_12_5.VOB
W 22:53:17 Failed to read Sector 2115960 - Timeout on Logical Unit
W 22:53:17 Sector 2115960 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_12_5.VOB
W 22:53:25 Failed to read Sector 2115961 - Timeout on Logical Unit
W 22:53:25 Sector 2115961 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_12_5.VOB
W 22:53:33 Failed to read Sector 2115962 - Timeout on Logical Unit
W 22:53:33 Sector 2115962 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_12_5.VOB
W 22:53:41 Failed to read Sector 2115963 - Timeout on Logical Unit
W 22:53:41 Sector 2115963 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_12_5.VOB
W 22:54:06 Failed to read Sector 2115964 - Timeout on Logical Unit
W 22:54:06 Sector 2115964 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_12_5.VOB
W 22:54:14 Failed to read Sector 2115965 - Timeout on Logical Unit
W 22:54:14 Sector 2115965 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_12_5.VOB
W 22:54:21 Failed to read Sector 2115966 - Timeout on Logical Unit
W 22:54:21 Sector 2115966 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_12_5.VOB
W 22:54:28 Failed to read Sector 2115967 - Timeout on Logical Unit
W 22:54:28 Sector 2115967 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_12_5.VOB
W 22:54:37 Failed to read Sector 2115968 - Timeout on Logical Unit
W 22:54:37 Sector 2115968 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_12_5.VOB
W 22:54:45 Failed to read Sector 2115969 - Timeout on Logical Unit
W 22:54:45 Sector 2115969 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_12_5.VOB
W 22:54:53 Failed to read Sector 2115970 - Timeout on Logical Unit
W 22:54:53 Sector 2115970 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_12_5.VOB
W 22:55:01 Failed to read Sector 2115971 - Timeout on Logical Unit
W 22:55:01 Sector 2115971 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_12_5.VOB
W 22:55:09 Failed to read Sector 2115972 - Timeout on Logical Unit
W 22:55:09 Sector 2115972 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_12_5.VOB
W 22:55:16 Failed to read Sector 2115973 - Timeout on Logical Unit
W 22:55:16 Sector 2115973 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_12_5.VOB
W 22:55:23 Failed to read Sector 2115974 - Timeout on Logical Unit
W 22:55:23 Sector 2115974 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_12_5.VOB
W 22:55:30 Failed to read Sector 2115975 - Timeout on Logical Unit
W 22:55:30 Sector 2115975 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_12_5.VOB
W 22:55:37 Failed to read Sector 2115976 - Timeout on Logical Unit
W 22:55:37 Sector 2115976 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_12_5.VOB
W 22:55:44 Failed to read Sector 2115977 - Timeout on Logical Unit
W 22:55:44 Sector 2115977 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_12_5.VOB
W 22:55:52 Failed to read Sector 2115978 - Timeout on Logical Unit
W 22:55:52 Sector 2115978 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_12_5.VOB
W 22:55:59 Failed to read Sector 2115979 - Timeout on Logical Unit
W 22:55:59 Sector 2115979 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_12_5.VOB
W 22:56:07 Failed to read Sector 2115980 - Timeout on Logical Unit
W 22:56:07 Sector 2115980 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_12_5.VOB
W 22:56:14 Failed to read Sector 2115981 - Timeout on Logical Unit
W 22:56:14 Sector 2115981 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_12_5.VOB
E 22:56:24 Failed to read Sector 2115982 - Timeout on Logical Unit
E 22:56:24 Sector 2115982 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_12_5.VOB
E 22:56:24 Failed to Verify Sectors!
E 22:56:24 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:15:58
I 22:56:24 Average Verify Rate: 4,417 KB/s (3.2x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 11,132 KB/s (8.0x)
I 22:56:50 Close Request Acknowledged
I 22:56:50 Closing Down...
I 22:56:51 Shutting down SPTI...
I 22:56:51 ImgBurn closed!

I'd appreciate any feedback anyone can give me on this failure, but specifically, my question is:

In light of my experiences with DVD+RWs, is it more likely to achieve better results with a slower burn speed or a faster burn speed?

Thanks in advance for any help.

**soup** · 18 Jan 2007, 10:27 AM

You might want to take a look at this for Dvd+R media if your drive supports it.

http://forum.digital-digest.com/show...threadid=46559.

As for the log one of the pros should be along. The general rule is half the rated speed of the blank media. You should also maybe take a look at these.

http://forum.digital-digest.com/show...threadid=49635.

**rdkapp** · 18 Jan 2007, 10:50 AM

Thanks soup! Unfortunately, according www.videohelp.com, my burner does not support bitsetting.

Also, I understand that my media is not good quality, even though the name brand is Great Quality

, but they were a throw-in when I purchased my burner. And besides, www.videohelp.com shows that there has been at least some success burning with this media. If I end up coastering them all, then it's no great loss, but I do want to try to learn something along the way.

I did see something in one of the links you supplied; that the end of movie is burned to the outside of the disc, and that's where most of the problems occur. It seems that certainly could apply here?

I await the pros to critique my log and provide me with some advice on my question. Thanks again.

**soup** · 18 Jan 2007, 10:56 AM

If that is one of your problems you can go to Dvd Shrink / Edit / Preferences & change the setting from 4464 to say custom 4300, then when you get better media you can change it back.

Maybe also check here & see what your burner does do.

http://www.dvdrhelp.com/dvdwriters.

**rdkapp** · 18 Jan 2007, 11:11 AM

Been there, done that -

www.videohelp.com/dvdwriters = http://www.dvdrhelp.com/dvdwriters

No bitsetting support shown.

Your advice on reducing it from 4464 to 4430 in DVD Shrink is an interesting one. I might have to try that at some point.

Thanks again, soup!

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