Using Nero Burning ROM to Make a Copy of a Copy

**Art Vandelay** · 4 Nov 2006, 11:43 AM

DVD Decrypter

ISO read, then ISO write with DVD decrypter or ImgBurn. I prefer them over Nero or Sonic.

if you have the backed up shrunk copy and you have the original in your collection for safe keeping.

**BR7** · 4 Nov 2006, 12:32 PM

There will be different opinions on this.But I prefer Nero's copy a copy feature

**KBL** · 23 Jan 2007, 01:38 AM

Hi guys,

Just followed the instructions to do a DVD copy (of a copy) using Nero 6.

Everything was going fine until the copy part finished then I got a "can not perform copy - read error". This as I say was straight after the copy section had completed.

**Chewy** · 23 Jan 2007, 01:46 AM

you need to clarify if you tried copy on the fly, which is between 2 optical drives, this is tricky to say the least

the drives shouldn't share the same cable and the source disk has to be an excellent burn

even with my setups and testing I can only rely on 4X with medium quality source disks

if otherwise forget copyonthefly

**Dan** · 23 Jan 2007, 02:01 AM

I never bother trying "on the fly" either. Seems more of a risk and it only takes a few minutes to rip the ISO to the HDD and burn with ImgBurn.

**KBL** · 23 Jan 2007, 02:02 AM

Thanks for the quick reply Chewy.

Didn't copy on the fly. I have a freecom DVDrw which I copied the very good dvd from and would be writing to the freecom when burning as well.
I always burn at 2.4 even though the freecom can do 4x. The copy was read at maximum speed though, think it was around 3000kb/s. Should I slow down a bit maybe?

Edit: Copy from a Philips DVD+RW 4x to a Memorex DVD+R 16x

**Chewy** · 23 Jan 2007, 02:10 AM

attach or paste that burn log from nero

**KBL** · 23 Jan 2007, 02:21 AM

Originally Posted by Chewy

attach or paste that burn log from nero

Here you go..

WinAspi: -
ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Ahead\nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.59, size=160016 bytes, created 16/12/2003 19:18:06
Nero version: 6.3.0.2
Recorder: Version: 1.30 - HA 3 TA 0 - 6.3.0.2
Adapter driver: <> HA 3
Drive buffer : 2048kB
Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ?
CD-ROM: Version: 1.30 - HA 3 TA 0 - 6.3.0.2
Adapter driver: <> HA 3
=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
CdRomPeripheral : NERO IMAGEDRIVE2 1.0h Imagedrv Port 0 ID 0 DMA: Off
CdRomPeripheral : NERO IMAGEDRIVE2 1.0h Imagedrv Port 0 ID 1 DMA: Off
DiskPeripheral : ST340810A atapi Port 1 ID 0 DMA: On
DiskPeripheral : Maxtor 91021U2 atapi Port 1 ID 1 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : PLEXTOR CD-R PREMIUM atapi Port 2 ID 0 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : CREATIVE CD5220 SB991119 atapi Port 2 ID 1 DMA: On
=== CDRom-Device-Map ===
NERO IMAGEDRIVE2 G: CDRom2
NERO IMAGEDRIVE2 H: CDRom3
PLEXTOR CD-R PREMIUM E: CDRom0
CREATIVE CD5220 SB99111 F: CDRom1
FREECOM_ DVD+/-RW4B L: CDRom4
=======================
AutoRun : 0
Excluded drive IDs:
CmdQueuing : 1
CmdNotification: 2
WriteBufferSize: 39845888 (0) Byte
ShowDrvBufStat : 0
EraseSpeed : 0
BUFE : 0
Physical memory : 247MB (253424kB)
Free physical memory: 173MB (177164kB)
Memory in use : 30 %
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Static Write Speed Table: 0
Use Inquiry : 1
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0)
22.1.2007
===== Disc-Copy over image - 1st step : Copy to image ...
15:50:20 #1 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 118
Reader running

15:50:20 #2 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 124
Writer Image Recorder running

15:50:23 #3 Text 0 File DVDCopy.cpp, Line 241
DVD Track-Information from source disc
S01 T01 Con 0x04 Start 0 Len 2295104 (gap 0) Blank 0 Res 0 Mode TRM_DATA_MODE1 (0)

15:50:27 #4 Text 0 File DVDCopy.cpp, Line 334
Max -1 tracks of 1 allowed to copy
1: 0 - 2295104 = 2295104, TRM_DATA_MODE1, block size 2048, read opt 0 (no read options)

15:50:27 #5 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3101
Turn on Disc-at-once, using DVD media

15:50:28 #6 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 240
Last possible write address on media: 2147483646 (477218:35.21, 4194303MB)
Last address to be written: 2295103 (510:01.28, 4482MB)

15:50:28 #7 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 245
Write in overburning mode: FALSE

15:50:28 #8 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2085
Recorder: Image Recorder;
CD type reading failed
ATIP Data: ?

15:50:28 #9 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 406
>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
=========================================

15:50:28 #10 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 779
Setup items (after recorder preparation)
0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (1 - Data (mode 1))
2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
original disc pos #0 + 2295104 (2295104) = #2295104/510:1.29
not relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required, no patch infos
-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2295104 blocks [ Image Recorder ]
--------------------------------------------------------------

15:50:28 #11 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 948
Prepare recorder [ Image Recorder ] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
DAO infos:
==========
MCN: ""
TOCType: 0x40; Session Closed, disc fixated
Tracks 1 to 1:
1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 307200 4700680192, ISRC ""
DAO layout:
===========
__Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_RecDep_|_CtrlAdr_
-150 | lead-in | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
-150 | 1 | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
0 | 1 | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41
2295104 | lead-out | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41

15:50:28 #12 Phase 120 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
Creating the image for burning

15:50:28 #13 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2264
Verifying disc position of item 0 (not relocatable, no disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

16:08:59 #14 SCSI -1128 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1431
SCSI Exec, HA 3, TA 0, LUN 0, buffer 0x03DC4000
Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
Sense Key: 0x03 (KEY_MEDIUM_ERROR)
Sense Code: 0x11
Sense Qual: 0x00
CDB Data: 0x28 0x00 0x00 0x22 0xF9 0x80 0x00 0x00 0x20 0x00 0x00 0x00
Sense Data: 0xF0 0x00 0x03 0x00 0x22 0xF9 0x80 0x0B
0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x11 0x00

16:09:01 #15 SCSI -1128 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1431
SCSI Exec, HA 3, TA 0, LUN 0, buffer 0x03DC4000
Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
Sense Key: 0x03 (KEY_MEDIUM_ERROR)
Sense Code: 0x11
Sense Qual: 0x00
CDB Data: 0x28 0x00 0x00 0x22 0xF9 0x80 0x00 0x00 0x20 0x00 0x00 0x00
Sense Data: 0xF0 0x00 0x03 0x00 0x22 0xF9 0x80 0x0B
0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x11 0x00

16:09:01 #16 TRANSFER -25 File Reader.cpp, Line 371
Error reading data

16:09:01 #17 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 229
all writers idle, stopping conversion

16:09:02 #18 Phase 67 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
Burn process failed

===== Disc-Copy over image - 2nd step : Burn the image ...
15:50:20 #1 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 118
Reader running

15:50:20 #2 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 124
Writer Image Recorder running

15:50:23 #3 Text 0 File DVDCopy.cpp, Line 241
DVD Track-Information from source disc
S01 T01 Con 0x04 Start 0 Len 2295104 (gap 0) Blank 0 Res 0 Mode TRM_DATA_MODE1 (0)

15:50:27 #4 Text 0 File DVDCopy.cpp, Line 334
Max -1 tracks of 1 allowed to copy
1: 0 - 2295104 = 2295104, TRM_DATA_MODE1, block size 2048, read opt 0 (no read options)

15:50:27 #5 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3101
Turn on Disc-at-once, using DVD media

15:50:28 #6 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 240
Last possible write address on media: 2147483646 (477218:35.21, 4194303MB)
Last address to be written: 2295103 (510:01.28, 4482MB)

15:50:28 #7 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 245
Write in overburning mode: FALSE

15:50:28 #8 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2085
Recorder: Image Recorder;
CD type reading failed
ATIP Data: ?

15:50:28 #9 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 406
>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
=========================================

15:50:28 #10 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 779
Setup items (after recorder preparation)
0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (1 - Data (mode 1))
2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
original disc pos #0 + 2295104 (2295104) = #2295104/510:1.29
not relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required, no patch infos
-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2295104 blocks [ Image Recorder ]
--------------------------------------------------------------

15:50:28 #11 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 948
Prepare recorder [ Image Recorder ] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
DAO infos:
==========
MCN: ""
TOCType: 0x40; Session Closed, disc fixated
Tracks 1 to 1:
1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 307200 4700680192, ISRC ""
DAO layout:
===========
__Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_RecDep_|_CtrlAdr_
-150 | lead-in | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
-150 | 1 | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
0 | 1 | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41
2295104 | lead-out | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41

15:50:28 #12 Phase 120 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
Creating the image for burning

15:50:28 #13 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2264
Verifying disc position of item 0 (not relocatable, no disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

16:08:59 #14 SCSI -1128 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1431
SCSI Exec, HA 3, TA 0, LUN 0, buffer 0x03DC4000
Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
Sense Key: 0x03 (KEY_MEDIUM_ERROR)
Sense Code: 0x11
Sense Qual: 0x00
CDB Data: 0x28 0x00 0x00 0x22 0xF9 0x80 0x00 0x00 0x20 0x00 0x00 0x00
Sense Data: 0xF0 0x00 0x03 0x00 0x22 0xF9 0x80 0x0B
0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x11 0x00

16:09:01 #15 SCSI -1128 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1431
SCSI Exec, HA 3, TA 0, LUN 0, buffer 0x03DC4000
Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
Sense Key: 0x03 (KEY_MEDIUM_ERROR)
Sense Code: 0x11
Sense Qual: 0x00
CDB Data: 0x28 0x00 0x00 0x22 0xF9 0x80 0x00 0x00 0x20 0x00 0x00 0x00
Sense Data: 0xF0 0x00 0x03 0x00 0x22 0xF9 0x80 0x0B
0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x11 0x00

16:09:01 #16 TRANSFER -25 File Reader.cpp, Line 371
Error reading data

16:09:01 #17 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 229
all writers idle, stopping conversion

16:09:02 #18 Phase 67 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
Burn process failed

Existing drivers:
File 'Drivers\CDR4_2K.SYS': Ver=5.3.2.31, size=58000 bytes, created 13/01/2004 12:43:12
File 'Drivers\CDRALW2K.SYS': Ver=5.3.2.31, size=23420 bytes, created 13/01/2004 12:43:12
Registry Keys:
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)

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Would the DISC FIXATED have anything to do with it?

**Chewy** · 23 Jan 2007, 02:27 AM

try to get it to even play?
shrink or dvddecrypter to put it on the hard drive

does that computer have usb2?

**KBL** · 23 Jan 2007, 02:30 AM

Originally Posted by Chewy

try to get it to even play?
shrink or dvddecrypter to put it on the hard drive

does that computer have usb2?

The disc I'm trying to copy plays fine. In the Freecom and in Philips DVD player.

Are you suggesting I try shrink or dvddecrypter to make the image?

Freecom DVD is connected via firewire. No USB 2.0.

**Chewy** · 23 Jan 2007, 02:36 AM

Are you suggesting I try shrink or dvddecrypter to make the image?

yes but just rip in file mode to hard drive and then play to check and burn manually with nero

you might be able to slow the read speed with dvdecrypter

Page not found · GitHub Pages

http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_firmware.php?download_id=1771

Tue Apr 20, 2004
and your firmware is even older

**KBL** · 23 Jan 2007, 02:41 AM

Originally Posted by Chewy

yes but just rip in file mode to hard drive and then play to check and burn manually with nero

you might be able to slow the read speed with dvdecrypter

Page not found · GitHub Pages

http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_firmware.php?download_id=1771

Tue Apr 20, 2004
and your firmware is even older

Right, I'll see what I can do and let you know. Will look at that firmware as well.

Cheers for now.

Kevin

**KBL** · 23 Jan 2007, 04:13 AM

Used DVDShrink and backed up to hard drive creating Audio and Video folders. Strangely DVDShrink needed to shrink the DVD by 2% other wise it wouldn't fit on another DVD.??

Played the film folder using VLCMediaplayer no problems.

Burnt to a DVD+R no problem and plays on my Philips DVD ok. Slight degradation but I would put that down to the copying and the shrink, but near as good as perfect and the kids won't mind that much as it was one of theirs.

So, many thanks Chewy!

Kevin

(Won't touch the firmware as everything went ok.)

**Figaro14** · 2 Feb 2007, 04:05 AM

I'm having a debate with a friend about copying a copy; Assuming no further compession is applied, does Nero give you an exact clone of the copy? I say that since the files are transferred verbatim, that the cloned copy is the same. Is this true?

**soup** · 2 Feb 2007, 04:30 AM

Nero copies the image exactly from the original on to the blank disc, similar to ISO read to ISO write.

Using Nero Burning ROM to Make a Copy of a Copy

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