Blank Media & Quality FAQ

[LT. Columbo]

your one of the smart ones

[noels]

LT. Columbo, thanks! noels

[jm1647]

@noels - Once you find a compatable media and have the bugs ironed out with your system like you did with MusicMatch why not save the initial rip to your HDD, do the editing/shrinking and then the burn +R? Saving the initial rip to the +RW, editing on the +RW and then burning to +R is taking a lot of time.
But if your OK doing it that way as they say to each his own.

[LT. Columbo]

jm is right, that's what i did when i started out. now i have such confidence in my media and writer, i recently started light multitasking while burning (like coming here). still perfect burns!

[Chewy]

At 4x there's plenty of elbow room for disk I/O with modern systems.

knock on wood

[noels]

jm1647 "save the initial rip to your HDD"

jm1647 - thanks, I'll try using the HDD files for editing with Shrink, then will use Decrypter to burn my R+... Decrypter seems to intimidate MusicMatch

BTW, I've never had any real trouble multitasking while burning, at least as long as I'm careful about the load I put on the CPU. I think I learned how to handle that over time. And I am now burning at half the rated disc speed. noels

[Chewy]

@noels With dma enabled the cpu use when burning is minimal,
it's the writting from hard drive that's an issue, don't try downloading 3-4
files from the internet on broadband, using the swapfile, and doing any other
intensive disk transfer during the burn.

[rsclark]

JM suggests burning to HDD before editing

I currently:-
use DVD shrink to rip/shrink the dvd and create an ISO on the HDD
Use DVD decrypter to write the ISO to DVD+R

Does DVDshrink work any faster if it processing data on the hard drive, rather than the original DVD. i.e. is it faster or safer to copy the original DVD to the HDD before processing.

If this method is better, what program do you use for buring to the HDD (ias it DVD Decrypter) and do you do it as an ISO or Video files

I learn a little more each day !

Thanks

[Taelon]

rsclark, You're terminology is a little muddled. "Burning" means copying the files onto a blank cd/dvd disc. "Ripping" is the term used for taking the content from a disc and getting it into the computer for processing. And yes, most here would recommend ripping all the FILES from the disk to the hard disk with DVD Decrypter or DVD Fab Decrypter, then opening the Files in DVD Shrink.

There's a couple reasons for this method, one is that DVDDecrypter can rip newer copy protected discs that DVDShrink can't, two is DVDD rips all the files at one time so there is less wear and tear on the optical drive, three is that with the files copied onto the hard drive it's easy to reauthor (strip out menus, extras, studio logos, warnings etc) before compressing the files with DVDShrink.

[rsclark]

Thanks Taelon. I'll give this method a try - if only for the optical drive issue - i was unaware that it had an effect on the drive.

However, once i have done all the re-authoring in DVD shrink, is it better to burn the output directly to disc, create an ISO file on the HDD, or create video files on the hard disc.

I once tried the first option, but the burn didn't work and i presumed i had to start all over again with DVD shrink - i can't really remember as it was the first time. It seemed enough trouble to make me find a different way. So, i started creating an ISO file and using DVD decrypter to burn the ISO file. I used this method because it seemed tidier only having one file to burn. Howeber, it appears that many people prefer to create video files rather than an ISO file, so there must be an advantage to this ?

It's all turning my strategy on it's head - but if's there's a better way i want to know about it !

At the moment i do not use menushrink, VOBeditor etc so am not possibly seeing the whole picture. However, I do intend using these once i've mastered basic re-authoring. I'm just a little wary at the moment of getting out of my depth since my pc recently switch ed to PIO from DMA and i had no idea what was happening (it is only thanks to you guys that i sorted it out - i thought my drive was faulty).

So, what is the advantage of using DVDshrink to create video files on the HD, rather than an ISO file. Presumably all the editing/menu alteration etc is done before using DVDshrink, suggesting there is no further processing after using DVDshrink. So why not have one simple ISO file.

Thanks again for all you help. Please let me know if I am taking this thread off-topic and i will start a new one.

[jm1647]

@Taelon - Thanks for the clarification to rsclark in what I said in my previous post.

@noels - Once you find a compatable media and have the bugs ironed out with your system like you did with MusicMatch why not save the initial rip to your HDD, do the editing/shrinking and then the burn +R? Saving the initial rip to the +RW, editing on the +RW and then burning to +R is taking a lot of time.
But if your OK doing it that way as they say to each his own.

The HDD is the best place to save the rip.

[noels]

jm1647 "why not save the initial rip to your HDD...?"

jm1647, I think I'm learning from different comments here that having confidence in the way one does the ripping/editing/burning is the key to successful DVD creation... For example, like rsclark, I found that I can use Shrink for minor editing of movie only (cut useless material off the front and back end and perhaps replace that with a black still image lead and ending) and burn an ISO with Decrypter in basically 1 short series of activity. It's when I don't have confidence in what I'm doing that I burn to an RW then re-edit and re-burn, etc. I found out the hard way the other day that your advice is really sound - I had to cut a section out of the middle of a program, so I needed to rip to HDD so I could use VobBlanker to do that. I wasted a lot of time getting to that point, so I learned a lesson and I found out your solution was the right way to go when there is more than minor editing needed. Does this make sense? So I guess I agree with rsclark when its only movie-only re-authoring with minor editing, that Shrink to Decrypter is the way to go, but if it's more then minor editing, then ripping to the HDD is a necessity. Does that make sense? noels

[NightTran]

I had been successful with vertibal r+ but I want to try Taiyo yuden r- have any one try with both and get good result?

Thanks

[Chewy]

My TY dvd-r 4x beats most all verb's +r's except the TY ones.

[jm1647]

jm1647, ....I found out the hard way the other day that your advice is really sound - I had to cut a section out of the middle of a program, so I needed to rip to HDD so I could use VobBlanker to do that. I wasted a lot of time getting to that point, so I learned a lesson and I found out your solution was the right way to go when there is more than minor editing needed. Does this make sense? So I guess I agree with rsclark when its only movie-only re-authoring with minor editing, that Shrink to Decrypter is the way to go, but if it's more then minor editing, then ripping to the HDD is a necessity. Does that make sense? noels

@noels - I missed this reposnse of yours somehow. We are all still learning something every day. I do all my ripping in file mode using DVD Decrypter Shrink or whatever. DVD shrink always save the files to what it calls the "temporary folder" anyway when you burn the rip. If you think you might have to do more editing select the target as "Create DVD Files" to your HDD. You can then go back and check it out and use VoBBlanker, PgcEdit or any of the other great tools available for editing. When your happy with the result, then burn it to DVD. Hope this helps.