LCD Monitors

[DiscCoasterPro]

Hello all. What is the general feeling about LCD monitors and video editing? Are they as good a choice as a large CRT?

thanks,

[blutach]

I think you'll get more replies in our General Discussions area. Thread moved.

Personally, I love my LCD monitor.

Regards

[deuce2]

CRTs have better images than LCD, however the space savings with the LCD is great. I use an LCD for video editing and it works just fine! I don't miss my CRT.

[DAFT]

just got a LCD and I love it, the space I have on my desk is incredible. If you got the cash then go with the LCD, they are pretty cheap now.

[anonymez]

LCD's are excellent for everything IMO, and are superior to CRT's in every way. their picture is crisper, clearer, brighter and thus better than crt's. many people, mostly photo editing enthusiasts will disagree with me (mostly because CRT's reproduce colour more accurately and have full viewing angles). if you plan on watching digital video, make sure you get one with a response time of 12ms or less. 8ms is ideal. the viewing angle issue is virtually eliminated with newer models

if your response time is any higher you will have horrible ghosting (a horrible blurring effect) when playing games, watching any types of video and possibly even when scrolling web pages. ask your retailer if you can see the monitor in action. try playing a game, or a video file with lots of motion. avoid making the wrong choice

[DAFT]

uh oh mine has 16ms and I spent a ton. what will be the issues that I can expect?

[anonymez]

if you've watched video/played games and haven't noticed anything daft, there may be nothing to worry about. i bought a 21ms monitor once, (that was the second best response time at the time ) and i noticed it right away, it was a nightmare. the problem generally happens in dark video scenes, or darker environments in games. the effect will be similar to a badly de-interlaced video, sort of a 'motion blur', or a 'shadow' after anything that moves. the amount also varies with the brand, and the quality of the panel...

if you do notice anything, i can give you a couple of tips, based on my own experiences with several people's crappy LCD monitors, that should noticeably reduce the effect

[blutach]

That ghosting used to be very apparent on the older 25ms models. 16ms seem to be OK at least for watching DV. And as long as you've got angles of ±70° in both planes, there will be no problems with viewing.

Regards

[DAFT]

here are the specs I guess I'm screwed?
Detailed Specifications K-7b
Manufacturer KDS
Manufacturer Part # K-7B
LCD Type Color TFT LCD Monitor
Display Area Diagonal: 17.0"
Pixel Pitch 0.264 mm
Resolution 1280 x 1024
Brightness 260 cd/m2
Contrast Ratio 450:1
Viewing Angle Horizontal: 140°
Vertical: 140°
Response Time 16 ms
Cabinet Color Black
Signal Input Input Video
Signal Analog RGB
Frequency Horizontal: 31 to 80 kHz
Vertical: 60 to 75 Hz
Input Connectors 1 x VGA D-Sub 15-pin
Power
Requirements Voltage 120 - 220 VAC, 50/60 Hz
Dimensions
(H x W x D) Unit 14.9" x 14.9" x 7.5"
Weight Unit 8.4 lbs
Warranty 3 year warranty includes parts and labor.
Includes in the Box KDS K-7b Black 17" LCD Monitor
Power cord
Signal cable
Warranty Documentation

[blutach]

The contrast looks very low at 450. I'd like to seee brightness up, too. Angles and responses look OK unless, as anonymez says, you're a serious gamer.

Regards

[nwg]

I have had a Hansol 711 (17") for the last three and a bit years. It is fantastic and the picture is a lot sharper than anything a CRT can do. I am glad it did as it cost me £500 at the time. It has a Samsung screen and I still believe they make the best LCD screens possible. A lot of different brands of LCD use Samsung screens.

A new LCD nowadays will probably have a 8ms response time. My one has 16ms and games look fine on it. There is no smearing or ghosting.

[anonymez]

@daft: ghosting also depends on the panel. there are different types, like TN, IPS, MVA and PVA. TN and IPS look great at even 30ms-40ms, and with the max possible time being twice that, at 60ms (which happens very rarely on those panels, as that speed only applies to a very small portion of colours), its still quite good.

MVA and PVA panels (most monitors, including mine) can have a response time up to 4 times higher than what it says on the box. approximately a third of all possible colours will go that high. so they suck for gaming, unless you get a newer model with a low response time

[DiscCoasterPro]

I personally never thought an lcd would be a problem regarding photo or video editing, the only thing that has me second guessing it over a crt is this thing about "native resolution". Am I correct in understanding that if I attempt to change the resolution say from 1280 down to 1024 the screen size actually gets smaller instead of everything getting bigger?

I also heard something about Longhorn addressing this problem. I dunno .. I'm blind as a bat. I currently have one computer with a 21" crt set at 1024x768 and I wouldn't want anything any smaller.

thanks for the input

[anonymez]

Am I correct in understanding that if I attempt to change the resolution say from 1280 down to 1024 the screen size actually gets smaller instead of everything getting bigger?

no, everything becomes bigger and uglier, like a CRT. LCD monitors are best used at their native resolution, which is usually the best choice anyway

[TNT]

That's the thing I'm not crazy about LCD's as well. Are there any LCD's out there that have a few 'native' resolutions? I like to switch resolution depending on the application I'm using. For example: For internet, 1024x768. Photoshop, 1280x1024. Screen-saver, 1600x1200. With a CRT I can switch and everything looks nice and sharp. My friend's LCD looked HORRIBLE outside it's native resolution.