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  • locoeng
    Who Farted?
    • Dec 2005
    • 2509

    Yipee...I've got my very own virus

    OK boys and girls....I walked into the house from work today and was greeted by an Avast warning saying that I was infected by the Nutcracker virus/worm and was prompted to place it in the virus chest which I did. I then googled to see what this thing was.

    Upon opening the Virus chest and rescanning, this is the information given to me:

    Scanning of selected files
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Program will try to scan 1 selected file(s) in the Chest

    Move files to temporary folder: C:\DOCUME~1\scott\LOCALS~1\Temp\_avast4_\unp189293 906.tmp
    FileID: 0000000004 Original file name: C:\Documents and Settings\scott\Start Menu\Programs\Startup\work\wudata_08.chk New folder: C:\DOCUME~1\scott\LOCALS~1\Temp\_avast4_\unp189293 906.tmp\4.chk

    Scan files in the temporary folder: C:\DOCUME~1\scott\LOCALS~1\Temp\_avast4_\unp189293 906.tmp
    C:\DOCUME~1\scott\LOCALS~1\Temp\_avast4_\unp189293 906.tmp\4.chk Nutcracker family
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Action was completed successfully!


    McAfee says the following:
    Nutcracker is a boot sector virus which will not work on 586 systems. It rewrites sectors of floppy and hard drives, and these sectors become unreadable by device drivers.
    Symptoms
    Symptoms -

    The virus has complex behavior. It can corrupt or encrypt files and drive sectors. It is probably better to reformat and restore from a backup than to attempt to clean the virus and repair damages.
    Method of Infection
    Method of Infection -

    The only way to infect a computer with an MBR/Boot Sector infector is to attempt to boot from an infected floppy diskette. The boot sector of the diskette has the code to determine if the diskette is bootable, and to display the "Non-system disk or disk error" message. It is this code that harbors the infection. By the time the non-system disk error message comes up, the infection has occurred.

    Once the virus is executed, it will infect the hard drive's MBR and may become memory resident. With every subsequent boot, the virus will be loaded into memory and will attempt to infect floppy diskettes accessed by the machine.
    http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_98034.htm

    I haven't rebooted this laptop in about 2 weeks and it doens't even have a floppy and the DVD drive is empty, so unless I'm totally off base here I'm wondering why I'm getting/how I've been infected. So I give thee my HiJack this log for further consideration...


    "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person. It's not fair to you and no challenge for us."
    Walt Kelly
  • locoeng
    Who Farted?
    • Dec 2005
    • 2509

    #2
    Text was too long...here is the log:

    Code:
    Logfile of HijackThis v1.99.1
    Scan saved at 4:36:41 PM, on 6/18/2007
    Platform: Windows XP SP2 (WinNT 5.01.2600)
    MSIE: Internet Explorer v6.00 SP2 (6.00.2900.2180)
    
    Running processes:
    C:\WINDOWS\System32\smss.exe
    C:\WINDOWS\system32\winlogon.exe
    C:\WINDOWS\system32\services.exe
    C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe
    C:\WINDOWS\system32\Ati2evxx.exe
    C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe
    C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
    C:\WINDOWS\system32\ZoneLabs\vsmon.exe
    C:\PROGRA~1\COMMON~1\Stardock\SDMCP.exe
    C:\WINDOWS\system32\Ati2evxx.exe
    C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE
    c:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccSetMgr.exe
    c:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\SNDSrvc.exe
    c:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccEvtMgr.exe
    C:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\aswUpdSv.exe
    C:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\ashServ.exe
    C:\Program Files\Symantec\LiveUpdate\ALUSchedulerSvc.exe
    C:\Documents and Settings\scott\Start Menu\Programs\Startup\FAH504-Console.exe
    C:\Program Files\Common Files\LightScribe\LSSrvc.exe
    C:\Program Files\Norton SystemWorks\Norton AntiVirus\IWP\NPFMntor.exe
    C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe
    C:\Program Files\Pure Networks\Network Magic\nmsrvc.exe
    C:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\ashMaiSv.exe
    C:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\ashWebSv.exe
    C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_01\bin\jusched.exe
    C:\Program Files\hpq\HP Wireless Assistant\HP Wireless Assistant.exe
    C:\Program Files\Hp\HP Software Update\HPWuSchd2.exe
    C:\Program Files\Synaptics\SynTP\SynTPLpr.exe
    C:\Program Files\Synaptics\SynTP\SynTPEnh.exe
    C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccApp.exe
    C:\Program Files\HPQ\Quick Launch Buttons\EabServr.exe
    C:\Program Files\HPQ\SHARED\HPQWMI.exe
    C:\WINDOWS\system32\LVCOMSX.EXE
    C:\Program Files\Logitech\Video\LogiTray.exe
    C:\Program Files\Pure Networks\Network Magic\nmapp.exe
    C:\PROGRA~1\ALWILS~1\Avast4\ashDisp.exe
    C:\Program Files\Zone Labs\ZoneAlarm\zlclient.exe
    C:\Program Files\Gadwin Systems\PrintScreen\PrintScreen.exe
    C:\Program Files\Skype\Phone\Skype.exe
    C:\Program Files\Logitech\Video\FxSvr2.exe
    C:\Program Files\Stardock\ObjectDock\ObjectDock.exe
    C:\Excursion9.5\mIRC.ExCurSioN.exe
    C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
    C:\Program Files\QuickTime\qttask.exe
    C:\Program Files\iPod\bin\iPodService.exe
    C:\Program Files\iTunes\iTunesHelper.exe
    C:\Program Files\Google\Google Talk\googletalk.exe
    C:\WINDOWS\system32\wuauclt.exe
    C:\Documents and Settings\scott\Start Menu\Programs\Startup\FahCore_78.exe
    C:\PROGRA~1\MOZILL~1\FIREFOX.EXE
    C:\Program Files\HijackThis\HijackThis.exe
    
    R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Bar = http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TYPE=3&tp=iesearch&locale=EN_US&c=Q305&bd=pavilion&pf=laptop
    R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = https://erc.nscorp.com/anch/ess
    R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Page_URL = http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TYPE=3&tp=iehome&locale=EN_US&c=Q305&bd=pavilion&pf=laptop
    R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Connection Wizard,ShellNext = http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TYPE=3&tp=iehome&locale=EN_US&c=Q305&bd=pavilion&pf=laptop
    R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings,ProxyOverride = localhost
    O2 - BHO: Yahoo! Toolbar Helper - {02478D38-C3F9-4EFB-9B51-7695ECA05670} - C:\Program Files\Yahoo!\Companion\Installs\cpn\yt.dll
    O2 - BHO: Adobe PDF Reader Link Helper - {06849E9F-C8D7-4D59-B87D-784B7D6BE0B3} - C:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat 7.0\ActiveX\AcroIEHelper.dll
    O2 - BHO: (no name) - {53707962-6F74-2D53-2644-206D7942484F} - C:\Program Files\Spybot - Search & Destroy\SDHelper.dll
    O2 - BHO: SSVHelper Class - {761497BB-D6F0-462C-B6EB-D4DAF1D92D43} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_01\bin\ssv.dll
    O3 - Toolbar: Yahoo! Toolbar - {EF99BD32-C1FB-11D2-892F-0090271D4F88} - C:\Program Files\Yahoo!\Companion\Installs\cpn\yt.dll
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SunJavaUpdateSched] "C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_01\bin\jusched.exe"
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [hpWirelessAssistant] C:\Program Files\hpq\HP Wireless Assistant\HP Wireless Assistant.exe
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [HP Software Update] C:\Program Files\Hp\HP Software Update\HPWuSchd2.exe
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SynTPLpr] C:\Program Files\Synaptics\SynTP\SynTPLpr.exe
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SynTPEnh] C:\Program Files\Synaptics\SynTP\SynTPEnh.exe
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ccApp] "c:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccApp.exe"
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [eabconfg.cpl] C:\Program Files\HPQ\Quick Launch Buttons\EabServr.exe /Start
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Cpqset] C:\Program Files\HPQ\Default Settings\cpqset.exe
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Symantec NetDriver Monitor] C:\PROGRA~1\SYMNET~1\SNDMon.exe /Consumer
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NeroFilterCheck] C:\WINDOWS\system32\NeroCheck.exe
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [LogonStudio] "C:\Program Files\WinCustomize\LogonStudio\logonstudio.exe" /RANDOM
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [KernelFaultCheck] %systemroot%\system32\dumprep 0 -k
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [LVCOMSX] C:\WINDOWS\system32\LVCOMSX.EXE
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [LogitechVideoRepair] C:\Program Files\Logitech\Video\ISStart.exe
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [LogitechVideoTray] C:\Program Files\Logitech\Video\LogiTray.exe
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [nmapp] "C:\Program Files\Pure Networks\Network Magic\nmapp.exe" -autorun -nosplash
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [avast!] C:\PROGRA~1\ALWILS~1\Avast4\ashDisp.exe
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ZoneAlarm Client] "C:\Program Files\Zone Labs\ZoneAlarm\zlclient.exe"
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [QuickTime Task] "C:\Program Files\QuickTime\qttask.exe" -atboottime
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [iTunesHelper] "C:\Program Files\iTunes\iTunesHelper.exe"
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [googletalk] C:\Program Files\Google\Google Talk\googletalk.exe /autostart
    O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [LogitechSoftwareUpdate] "C:\Program Files\Logitech\Video\ManifestEngine.exe" boot
    O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [Gadwin PrintScreen 3.1] C:\Program Files\Gadwin Systems\PrintScreen\PrintScreen.exe /nosplash
    O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [Skype] "C:\Program Files\Skype\Phone\Skype.exe" /nosplash /minimized
    O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [LDM] \Program\
    O4 - Startup: client.cfg
    O4 - Startup: FAH504-Console.exe
    O4 - Startup: FahCore_78.exe
    O4 - Startup: FAHlog-Prev.txt
    O4 - Startup: FAHlog.txt
    O4 - Startup: FAHlog2.txt
    O4 - Startup: MyFolding.html
    O4 - Startup: queue.dat
    O4 - Startup: Stardock ObjectDock.lnk = C:\Program Files\Stardock\ObjectDock\ObjectDock.exe
    O4 - Startup: unitinfo.txt
    O4 - Global Startup: Adobe Reader Speed Launch.lnk = C:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat 7.0\Reader\reader_sl.exe
    O4 - Global Startup: Logitech Desktop Messenger.lnk = C:\Program Files\Logitech\Desktop Messenger\8876480\Program\LDMConf.exe
    O9 - Extra button: (no name) - {08B0E5C0-4FCB-11CF-AAA5-00401C608501} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_01\bin\npjpi160_01.dll
    O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Sun Java Console - {08B0E5C0-4FCB-11CF-AAA5-00401C608501} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_01\bin\npjpi160_01.dll
    O9 - Extra button: Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
    O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Windows Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
    O14 - IERESET.INF: START_PAGE_URL=http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TYPE=3&tp=iehome&locale=EN_US&c=Q305&bd=pavilion&pf=laptop
    O18 - Protocol: bw+0 - {45EB5C1D-3401-47B1-94C0-F834C9029CC3} - C:\Program Files\Logitech\Desktop Messenger\8876480\Program\BWPlugProtocol-8876480.dll
    O18 - Protocol: bw+0s - {45EB5C1D-3401-47B1-94C0-F834C9029CC3} - C:\Program Files\Logitech\Desktop Messenger\8876480\Program\BWPlugProtocol-8876480.dll
    O18 - Protocol: bw-0 - {45EB5C1D-3401-47B1-94C0-F834C9029CC3} - C:\Program Files\Logitech\Desktop Messenger\8876480\Program\BWPlugProtocol-8876480.dll
    O18 - Protocol: bw-0s - {45EB5C1D-3401-47B1-94C0-F834C9029CC3} -  
    O18 - Protocol: offline-8876480 - {45EB5C1D-3401-47B1-94C0-F834C9029CC3} - C:\Program Files\Logitech\Desktop Messenger\8876480\Program\BWPlugProtocol-8876480.dll
    O18 - Protocol: pure-go - {4746C79A-2042-4332-8650-48966E44ABA8} - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Pure Networks Shared\puresp.dll
    O20 - Winlogon Notify: MCPClient - C:\PROGRA~1\COMMON~1\Stardock\mcpstub.dll
    O20 - Winlogon Notify: WgaLogon - C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\WgaLogon.dll
    O23 - Service: avast! iAVS4 Control Service (aswUpdSv) - ALWIL Software - C:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\aswUpdSv.exe
    O23 - Service: Ati HotKey Poller - ATI Technologies Inc. - C:\WINDOWS\system32\Ati2evxx.exe
    O23 - Service: Automatic LiveUpdate Scheduler - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Symantec\LiveUpdate\ALUSchedulerSvc.exe
    O23 - Service: avast! Antivirus - ALWIL Software - C:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\ashServ.exe
    O23 - Service: avast! Mail Scanner - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\ashMaiSv.exe" /service (file missing)
    O23 - Service: avast! Web Scanner - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\ashWebSv.exe" /service (file missing)
    O23 - Service: Symantec Event Manager (ccEvtMgr) - Symantec Corporation - c:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccEvtMgr.exe
    O23 - Service: Symantec Password Validation (ccPwdSvc) - Symantec Corporation - c:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccPwdSvc.exe
    O23 - Service: Symantec Settings Manager (ccSetMgr) - Symantec Corporation - c:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccSetMgr.exe
    O23 - Service: FAH@C:+Documents and Settings+scott+Start Menu+Programs+Startup+FAH504-Console.exe - Stanford University - C:\Documents and Settings\scott\Start Menu\Programs\Startup\FAH504-Console.exe
    O23 - Service: HP WMI Interface (hpqwmi) - Hewlett-Packard Development Company, L.P. - C:\Program Files\HPQ\SHARED\HPQWMI.exe
    O23 - Service: iPod Service - Apple Inc. - C:\Program Files\iPod\bin\iPodService.exe
    O23 - Service: LightScribeService Direct Disc Labeling Service (LightScribeService) - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files\Common Files\LightScribe\LSSrvc.exe
    O23 - Service: LiveUpdate - Symantec Corporation - C:\PROGRA~1\Symantec\LIVEUP~1\LUCOMS~1.EXE
    O23 - Service: Pure Networks Net2Go Service (nmraapache) - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files\Pure Networks\Network Magic\WebServer\bin\nmraapache.exe" -k runservice (file missing)
    O23 - Service: Pure Networks Network Magic Service (nmservice) - Pure Networks, Inc. - C:\Program Files\Pure Networks\Network Magic\nmsrvc.exe
    O23 - Service: Norton AntiVirus Firewall Monitor Service (NPFMntor) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Norton SystemWorks\Norton AntiVirus\IWP\NPFMntor.exe
    O23 - Service: Symantec Network Drivers Service (SNDSrvc) - Symantec Corporation - c:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\SNDSrvc.exe
    O23 - Service: Symantec SPBBCSvc (SPBBCSvc) - Symantec Corporation - c:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\SPBBC\SPBBCSvc.exe
    O23 - Service: TrueVector Internet Monitor (vsmon) - Zone Labs, LLC - C:\WINDOWS\system32\ZoneLabs\vsmon.exe
    Last edited by locoeng; 19 Jun 2007, 06:10 AM.


    "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person. It's not fair to you and no challenge for us."
    Walt Kelly

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    • locoeng
      Who Farted?
      • Dec 2005
      • 2509

      #3
      Still too long...here is the rest, I hope:

      Code:
      Logfile of HijackThis v1.99.1
      Scan saved at 4:36:41 PM, on 6/18/2007
      Platform: Windows XP SP2 (WinNT 5.01.2600)
      MSIE: Internet Explorer v6.00 SP2 (6.00.2900.2180)
      
      Running processes:
      C:\WINDOWS\System32\smss.exe
      C:\WINDOWS\system32\winlogon.exe
      C:\WINDOWS\system32\services.exe
      C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe
      C:\WINDOWS\system32\Ati2evxx.exe
      C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe
      C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
      C:\WINDOWS\system32\ZoneLabs\vsmon.exe
      C:\PROGRA~1\COMMON~1\Stardock\SDMCP.exe
      C:\WINDOWS\system32\Ati2evxx.exe
      C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE
      c:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccSetMgr.exe
      c:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\SNDSrvc.exe
      c:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccEvtMgr.exe
      C:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\aswUpdSv.exe
      C:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\ashServ.exe
      C:\Program Files\Symantec\LiveUpdate\ALUSchedulerSvc.exe
      C:\Documents and Settings\scott\Start Menu\Programs\Startup\FAH504-Console.exe
      C:\Program Files\Common Files\LightScribe\LSSrvc.exe
      C:\Program Files\Norton SystemWorks\Norton AntiVirus\IWP\NPFMntor.exe
      C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe
      C:\Program Files\Pure Networks\Network Magic\nmsrvc.exe
      C:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\ashMaiSv.exe
      C:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\ashWebSv.exe
      C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_01\bin\jusched.exe
      C:\Program Files\hpq\HP Wireless Assistant\HP Wireless Assistant.exe
      C:\Program Files\Hp\HP Software Update\HPWuSchd2.exe
      C:\Program Files\Synaptics\SynTP\SynTPLpr.exe
      C:\Program Files\Synaptics\SynTP\SynTPEnh.exe
      C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccApp.exe
      C:\Program Files\HPQ\Quick Launch Buttons\EabServr.exe
      C:\Program Files\HPQ\SHARED\HPQWMI.exe
      C:\WINDOWS\system32\LVCOMSX.EXE
      C:\Program Files\Logitech\Video\LogiTray.exe
      C:\Program Files\Pure Networks\Network Magic\nmapp.exe
      C:\PROGRA~1\ALWILS~1\Avast4\ashDisp.exe
      C:\Program Files\Zone Labs\ZoneAlarm\zlclient.exe
      C:\Program Files\Gadwin Systems\PrintScreen\PrintScreen.exe
      C:\Program Files\Skype\Phone\Skype.exe
      C:\Program Files\Logitech\Video\FxSvr2.exe
      C:\Program Files\Stardock\ObjectDock\ObjectDock.exe
      C:\Excursion9.5\mIRC.ExCurSioN.exe
      C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
      C:\Program Files\QuickTime\qttask.exe
      C:\Program Files\iPod\bin\iPodService.exe
      C:\Program Files\iTunes\iTunesHelper.exe
      C:\Program Files\Google\Google Talk\googletalk.exe
      C:\WINDOWS\system32\wuauclt.exe
      C:\Documents and Settings\scott\Start Menu\Programs\Startup\FahCore_78.exe
      C:\PROGRA~1\MOZILL~1\FIREFOX.EXE
      C:\Program Files\HijackThis\HijackThis.exe
      
      R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Bar = http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TYPE=3&tp=iesearch&locale=EN_US&c=Q305&bd=pavilion&pf=laptop
      R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = https://erc.nscorp.com/anch/ess
      R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Page_URL = http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TYPE=3&tp=iehome&locale=EN_US&c=Q305&bd=pavilion&pf=laptop
      R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Connection Wizard,ShellNext = http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TYPE=3&tp=iehome&locale=EN_US&c=Q305&bd=pavilion&pf=laptop
      R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings,ProxyOverride = localhost
      O2 - BHO: Yahoo! Toolbar Helper - {02478D38-C3F9-4EFB-9B51-7695ECA05670} - C:\Program Files\Yahoo!\Companion\Installs\cpn\yt.dll
      O2 - BHO: Adobe PDF Reader Link Helper - {06849E9F-C8D7-4D59-B87D-784B7D6BE0B3} - C:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat 7.0\ActiveX\AcroIEHelper.dll
      O2 - BHO: (no name) - {53707962-6F74-2D53-2644-206D7942484F} - C:\Program Files\Spybot - Search & Destroy\SDHelper.dll
      O2 - BHO: SSVHelper Class - {761497BB-D6F0-462C-B6EB-D4DAF1D92D43} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_01\bin\ssv.dll
      O3 - Toolbar: Yahoo! Toolbar - {EF99BD32-C1FB-11D2-892F-0090271D4F88} - C:\Program Files\Yahoo!\Companion\Installs\cpn\yt.dll
      O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SunJavaUpdateSched] "C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_01\bin\jusched.exe"
      O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [hpWirelessAssistant] C:\Program Files\hpq\HP Wireless Assistant\HP Wireless Assistant.exe
      O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [HP Software Update] C:\Program Files\Hp\HP Software Update\HPWuSchd2.exe
      O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SynTPLpr] C:\Program Files\Synaptics\SynTP\SynTPLpr.exe
      O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SynTPEnh] C:\Program Files\Synaptics\SynTP\SynTPEnh.exe
      O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ccApp] "c:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccApp.exe"
      O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [eabconfg.cpl] C:\Program Files\HPQ\Quick Launch Buttons\EabServr.exe /Start
      O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Cpqset] C:\Program Files\HPQ\Default Settings\cpqset.exe
      O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Symantec NetDriver Monitor] C:\PROGRA~1\SYMNET~1\SNDMon.exe /Consumer
      O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NeroFilterCheck] C:\WINDOWS\system32\NeroCheck.exe
      O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [LogonStudio] "C:\Program Files\WinCustomize\LogonStudio\logonstudio.exe" /RANDOM
      O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [KernelFaultCheck] %systemroot%\system32\dumprep 0 -k
      O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [LVCOMSX] C:\WINDOWS\system32\LVCOMSX.EXE
      O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [LogitechVideoRepair] C:\Program Files\Logitech\Video\ISStart.exe
      O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [LogitechVideoTray] C:\Program Files\Logitech\Video\LogiTray.exe
      O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [nmapp] "C:\Program Files\Pure Networks\Network Magic\nmapp.exe" -autorun -nosplash
      O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [avast!] C:\PROGRA~1\ALWILS~1\Avast4\ashDisp.exe
      O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ZoneAlarm Client] "C:\Program Files\Zone Labs\ZoneAlarm\zlclient.exe"
      O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [QuickTime Task] "C:\Program Files\QuickTime\qttask.exe" -atboottime
      O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [iTunesHelper] "C:\Program Files\iTunes\iTunesHelper.exe"
      O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [googletalk] C:\Program Files\Google\Google Talk\googletalk.exe /autostart
      O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [LogitechSoftwareUpdate] "C:\Program Files\Logitech\Video\ManifestEngine.exe" boot
      O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [Gadwin PrintScreen 3.1] C:\Program Files\Gadwin Systems\PrintScreen\PrintScreen.exe /nosplash
      O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [Skype] "C:\Program Files\Skype\Phone\Skype.exe" /nosplash /minimized
      O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [LDM] \Program\
      O4 - Startup: client.cfg
      O4 - Startup: FAH504-Console.exe
      O4 - Startup: FahCore_78.exe
      O4 - Startup: FAHlog-Prev.txt
      O4 - Startup: FAHlog.txt
      O4 - Startup: FAHlog2.txt
      O4 - Startup: MyFolding.html
      O4 - Startup: queue.dat
      O4 - Startup: Stardock ObjectDock.lnk = C:\Program Files\Stardock\ObjectDock\ObjectDock.exe
      O4 - Startup: unitinfo.txt
      O4 - Global Startup: Adobe Reader Speed Launch.lnk = C:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat 7.0\Reader\reader_sl.exe
      O4 - Global Startup: Logitech Desktop Messenger.lnk = C:\Program Files\Logitech\Desktop Messenger\8876480\Program\LDMConf.exe
      O9 - Extra button: (no name) - {08B0E5C0-4FCB-11CF-AAA5-00401C608501} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_01\bin\npjpi160_01.dll
      O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Sun Java Console - {08B0E5C0-4FCB-11CF-AAA5-00401C608501} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_01\bin\npjpi160_01.dll
      O9 - Extra button: Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
      O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Windows Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
      O14 - IERESET.INF: START_PAGE_URL=http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TYPE=3&tp=iehome&locale=EN_US&c=Q305&bd=pavilion&pf=laptop
      O18 - Protocol: bw+0 - {45EB5C1D-3401-47B1-94C0-F834C9029CC3} - C:\Program Files\Logitech\Desktop Messenger\8876480\Program\BWPlugProtocol-8876480.dll
      O18 - Protocol: bw+0s - {45EB5C1D-3401-47B1-94C0-F834C9029CC3} - C:\Program Files\Logitech\Desktop Messenger\8876480\Program\BWPlugProtocol-8876480.dll
      O18 - Protocol: bw-0 - {45EB5C1D-3401-47B1-94C0-F834C9029CC3} - C:\Program Files\Logitech\Desktop Messenger\8876480\Program\BWPlugProtocol-8876480.dll
      O18 - Protocol: bw-0s - {45EB5C1D-3401-47B1-94C0-F834C9029CC3} -  
      O18 - Protocol: offline-8876480 - {45EB5C1D-3401-47B1-94C0-F834C9029CC3} - C:\Program Files\Logitech\Desktop Messenger\8876480\Program\BWPlugProtocol-8876480.dll
      O18 - Protocol: pure-go - {4746C79A-2042-4332-8650-48966E44ABA8} - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Pure Networks Shared\puresp.dll
      O20 - Winlogon Notify: MCPClient - C:\PROGRA~1\COMMON~1\Stardock\mcpstub.dll
      O20 - Winlogon Notify: WgaLogon - C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\WgaLogon.dll
      O23 - Service: avast! iAVS4 Control Service (aswUpdSv) - ALWIL Software - C:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\aswUpdSv.exe
      O23 - Service: Ati HotKey Poller - ATI Technologies Inc. - C:\WINDOWS\system32\Ati2evxx.exe
      O23 - Service: Automatic LiveUpdate Scheduler - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Symantec\LiveUpdate\ALUSchedulerSvc.exe
      O23 - Service: avast! Antivirus - ALWIL Software - C:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\ashServ.exe
      O23 - Service: avast! Mail Scanner - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\ashMaiSv.exe" /service (file missing)
      O23 - Service: avast! Web Scanner - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\ashWebSv.exe" /service (file missing)
      O23 - Service: Symantec Event Manager (ccEvtMgr) - Symantec Corporation - c:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccEvtMgr.exe
      O23 - Service: Symantec Password Validation (ccPwdSvc) - Symantec Corporation - c:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccPwdSvc.exe
      O23 - Service: Symantec Settings Manager (ccSetMgr) - Symantec Corporation - c:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccSetMgr.exe
      O23 - Service: FAH@C:+Documents and Settings+scott+Start Menu+Programs+Startup+FAH504-Console.exe - Stanford University - C:\Documents and Settings\scott\Start Menu\Programs\Startup\FAH504-Console.exe
      O23 - Service: HP WMI Interface (hpqwmi) - Hewlett-Packard Development Company, L.P. - C:\Program Files\HPQ\SHARED\HPQWMI.exe
      O23 - Service: iPod Service - Apple Inc. - C:\Program Files\iPod\bin\iPodService.exe
      O23 - Service: LightScribeService Direct Disc Labeling Service (LightScribeService) - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files\Common Files\LightScribe\LSSrvc.exe
      O23 - Service: LiveUpdate - Symantec Corporation - C:\PROGRA~1\Symantec\LIVEUP~1\LUCOMS~1.EXE
      O23 - Service: Pure Networks Net2Go Service (nmraapache) - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files\Pure Networks\Network Magic\WebServer\bin\nmraapache.exe" -k runservice (file missing)
      O23 - Service: Pure Networks Network Magic Service (nmservice) - Pure Networks, Inc. - C:\Program Files\Pure Networks\Network Magic\nmsrvc.exe
      O23 - Service: Norton AntiVirus Firewall Monitor Service (NPFMntor) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Norton SystemWorks\Norton AntiVirus\IWP\NPFMntor.exe
      O23 - Service: Symantec Network Drivers Service (SNDSrvc) - Symantec Corporation - c:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\SNDSrvc.exe
      O23 - Service: Symantec SPBBCSvc (SPBBCSvc) - Symantec Corporation - c:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\SPBBC\SPBBCSvc.exe
      O23 - Service: TrueVector Internet Monitor (vsmon) - Zone Labs, LLC - C:\WINDOWS\system32\ZoneLabs\vsmon.exe
      EDIT: found problem....full log can be found in either post. There were around 40 instances of this showing up:

      O18 - Protocol: bw+0 - {45EB5C1D-3401-47B1-94C0-F834C9029CC3} - C:\Program Files\Logitech\Desktop Messenger\8876480\Program\BWPlugProtocol-8876480.dll

      I left a few for demonstration because I don't know what the significance is.
      Last edited by locoeng; 19 Jun 2007, 06:12 AM.


      "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person. It's not fair to you and no challenge for us."
      Walt Kelly

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      • soup
        Just Trying To Help
        • Nov 2005
        • 7524

        #4
        Move files to temporary folder: C:\DOCUME~1\scott\LOCALS~1\Temp\_avast4_\unp189293 906.tmp
        FileID: 0000000004 Original file name: C:\Documents and Settings\scott\Start Menu\Programs\Startup\work\wudata_08.chk New folder: C:\DOCUME~1\scott\LOCALS~1\Temp\_avast4_\unp189293 906.tmp\4.chk
        Isn't that Folding@Home?

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        • locoeng
          Who Farted?
          • Dec 2005
          • 2509

          #5
          Yup.


          "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person. It's not fair to you and no challenge for us."
          Walt Kelly

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          • soup
            Just Trying To Help
            • Nov 2005
            • 7524

            #6
            I have one of those super duper Logitech Remotes, when I installed from their disc, it dumped a whole pile of tha crap on to my PC as well. I have since got rid of it all & now if I need help or updates I just go to http:\\members.harmonyremote.com

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            • locoeng
              Who Farted?
              • Dec 2005
              • 2509

              #7
              Is that what all that Logitech stuff is? I couldn't tell because I've got their webcam, remote and headset all hooked up via USB to this laptop. Well the remote only to config anyway.


              "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person. It's not fair to you and no challenge for us."
              Walt Kelly

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              • soup
                Just Trying To Help
                • Nov 2005
                • 7524

                #8
                One of their support guys gave me the heads up about getting rid of it all & then gave me that address. If you have that much Logitech stuff though, you might want to check. At the time I only had the remote.
                Last edited by soup; 19 Jun 2007, 06:27 AM.

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                • Chewy
                  Super Moderator
                  • Nov 2003
                  • 18971

                  #9
                  amazing that it even runs, avast, norton's, zone alarm

                  false positive?

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                  • locoeng
                    Who Farted?
                    • Dec 2005
                    • 2509

                    #10
                    Runs like a dream....for some reason this laptop has served as a test bed for this and that. The laptop cost me twice what I've got in the desktop and I tend to throw it to the wolves more times than not.

                    Perhaps get rid of Nortons first?

                    Why would a false positive just now show up?


                    "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person. It's not fair to you and no challenge for us."
                    Walt Kelly

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                    • Chewy
                      Super Moderator
                      • Nov 2003
                      • 18971

                      #11
                      with all that stuff running, programs get corrupt? avast done any updates?

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                      • locoeng
                        Who Farted?
                        • Dec 2005
                        • 2509

                        #12
                        Yes...6/14~15~16~18

                        skipped the 17th for some reason.


                        "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person. It's not fair to you and no challenge for us."
                        Walt Kelly

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                        • Chewy
                          Super Moderator
                          • Nov 2003
                          • 18971

                          #13
                          Runs like a dream
                          very skeptical on that point

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                          • locoeng
                            Who Farted?
                            • Dec 2005
                            • 2509

                            #14
                            For me it does anyway....I've got some tidying up to do and will update tonight.


                            "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person. It's not fair to you and no challenge for us."
                            Walt Kelly

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                            • locoeng
                              Who Farted?
                              • Dec 2005
                              • 2509

                              #15
                              I'm about to give up on Nortons/Symantec removal....

                              Delete on Reboot, delete, uninstall...nothing will take this crap off my PC!!!

                              I have gotten rid of alot of stuff, 10 cCleaner scans and about 5 reboots later...
                              Code:
                              Logfile of HijackThis v1.99.1
                              Scan saved at 10:13:29 PM, on 6/18/2007
                              Platform: Windows XP SP2 (WinNT 5.01.2600)
                              MSIE: Internet Explorer v6.00 SP2 (6.00.2900.2180)
                              
                              Running processes:
                              C:\WINDOWS\System32\smss.exe
                              C:\WINDOWS\system32\winlogon.exe
                              C:\WINDOWS\system32\services.exe
                              C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe
                              C:\WINDOWS\system32\Ati2evxx.exe
                              C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe
                              C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
                              C:\WINDOWS\system32\ZoneLabs\vsmon.exe
                              C:\PROGRA~1\COMMON~1\Stardock\SDMCP.exe
                              C:\WINDOWS\system32\Ati2evxx.exe
                              C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE
                              c:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccSetMgr.exe
                              c:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\SNDSrvc.exe
                              c:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccEvtMgr.exe
                              C:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\aswUpdSv.exe
                              C:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\ashServ.exe
                              C:\Documents and Settings\scott\Start Menu\Programs\Startup\FAH504-Console.exe
                              C:\Program Files\Common Files\LightScribe\LSSrvc.exe
                              C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe
                              C:\Documents and Settings\scott\Start Menu\Programs\Startup\FahCore_78.exe
                              C:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\ashMaiSv.exe
                              C:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\ashWebSv.exe
                              C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_01\bin\jusched.exe
                              C:\Program Files\Synaptics\SynTP\SynTPLpr.exe
                              C:\Program Files\Synaptics\SynTP\SynTPEnh.exe
                              C:\Program Files\HPQ\Quick Launch Buttons\EabServr.exe
                              C:\WINDOWS\system32\LVCOMSX.EXE
                              C:\PROGRA~1\ALWILS~1\Avast4\ashDisp.exe
                              C:\WINDOWS\system32\wuauclt.exe
                              C:\Program Files\Zone Labs\ZoneAlarm\zlclient.exe
                              C:\Documents and Settings\scott\Start Menu\Programs\Startup\FAH504-Console.exe
                              C:\Documents and Settings\scott\Start Menu\Programs\Startup\FahCore_78.exe
                              C:\PROGRA~1\MOZILL~1\FIREFOX.EXE
                              C:\Program Files\Stardock\ObjectDock\ObjectDock.exe
                              C:\Program Files\HijackThis\HijackThis.exe
                              
                              R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Bar = http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TYPE=3&tp=iesearch&locale=EN_US&c=Q305&bd=pavilion&pf=laptop
                              R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = https://erc.nscorp.com/anch/ess
                              R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Page_URL = http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TYPE=3&tp=iehome&locale=EN_US&c=Q305&bd=pavilion&pf=laptop
                              R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Connection Wizard,ShellNext = http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TYPE=3&tp=iehome&locale=EN_US&c=Q305&bd=pavilion&pf=laptop
                              R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings,ProxyOverride = localhost
                              O2 - BHO: Yahoo! Toolbar Helper - {02478D38-C3F9-4EFB-9B51-7695ECA05670} - C:\Program Files\Yahoo!\Companion\Installs\cpn\yt.dll
                              O2 - BHO: Adobe PDF Reader Link Helper - {06849E9F-C8D7-4D59-B87D-784B7D6BE0B3} - C:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat 7.0\ActiveX\AcroIEHelper.dll
                              O2 - BHO: (no name) - {53707962-6F74-2D53-2644-206D7942484F} - C:\Program Files\Spybot - Search & Destroy\SDHelper.dll
                              O2 - BHO: SSVHelper Class - {761497BB-D6F0-462C-B6EB-D4DAF1D92D43} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_01\bin\ssv.dll
                              O3 - Toolbar: Yahoo! Toolbar - {EF99BD32-C1FB-11D2-892F-0090271D4F88} - C:\Program Files\Yahoo!\Companion\Installs\cpn\yt.dll
                              O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SunJavaUpdateSched] "C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_01\bin\jusched.exe"
                              O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SynTPLpr] C:\Program Files\Synaptics\SynTP\SynTPLpr.exe
                              O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SynTPEnh] C:\Program Files\Synaptics\SynTP\SynTPEnh.exe
                              O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [eabconfg.cpl] C:\Program Files\HPQ\Quick Launch Buttons\EabServr.exe /Start
                              O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Cpqset] C:\Program Files\HPQ\Default Settings\cpqset.exe
                              O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NeroFilterCheck] C:\WINDOWS\system32\NeroCheck.exe
                              O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [LogonStudio] "C:\Program Files\WinCustomize\LogonStudio\logonstudio.exe" /RANDOM
                              O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [KernelFaultCheck] %systemroot%\system32\dumprep 0 -k
                              O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [LVCOMSX] C:\WINDOWS\system32\LVCOMSX.EXE
                              O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [avast!] C:\PROGRA~1\ALWILS~1\Avast4\ashDisp.exe
                              O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ZoneAlarm Client] "C:\Program Files\Zone Labs\ZoneAlarm\zlclient.exe"
                              O4 - Startup: client.cfg
                              O4 - Startup: FAH504-Console.exe
                              O4 - Startup: FahCore_78.exe
                              O4 - Startup: FAHlog-Prev.txt
                              O4 - Startup: FAHlog.txt
                              O4 - Startup: MyFolding.html
                              O4 - Startup: queue.dat
                              O4 - Startup: Stardock ObjectDock.lnk = C:\Program Files\Stardock\ObjectDock\ObjectDock.exe
                              O4 - Startup: unitinfo.txt
                              O9 - Extra button: (no name) - {08B0E5C0-4FCB-11CF-AAA5-00401C608501} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_01\bin\npjpi160_01.dll
                              O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Sun Java Console - {08B0E5C0-4FCB-11CF-AAA5-00401C608501} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_01\bin\npjpi160_01.dll
                              O9 - Extra button: Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
                              O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Windows Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
                              O14 - IERESET.INF: START_PAGE_URL=http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TYPE=3&tp=iehome&locale=EN_US&c=Q305&bd=pavilion&pf=laptop
                              O20 - Winlogon Notify: MCPClient - C:\PROGRA~1\COMMON~1\Stardock\mcpstub.dll
                              O20 - Winlogon Notify: WgaLogon - C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\WgaLogon.dll
                              O23 - Service: avast! iAVS4 Control Service (aswUpdSv) - ALWIL Software - C:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\aswUpdSv.exe
                              O23 - Service: Ati HotKey Poller - ATI Technologies Inc. - C:\WINDOWS\system32\Ati2evxx.exe
                              O23 - Service: avast! Antivirus - ALWIL Software - C:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\ashServ.exe
                              O23 - Service: avast! Mail Scanner - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\ashMaiSv.exe" /service (file missing)
                              O23 - Service: avast! Web Scanner - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\ashWebSv.exe" /service (file missing)
                              O23 - Service: Symantec Event Manager (ccEvtMgr) - Symantec Corporation - c:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccEvtMgr.exe
                              O23 - Service: Symantec Password Validation (ccPwdSvc) - Symantec Corporation - c:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccPwdSvc.exe
                              O23 - Service: Symantec Settings Manager (ccSetMgr) - Symantec Corporation - c:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccSetMgr.exe
                              O23 - Service: FAH@C:+Documents and Settings+scott+Start Menu+Programs+Startup+FAH504-Console.exe - Stanford University - C:\Documents and Settings\scott\Start Menu\Programs\Startup\FAH504-Console.exe
                              O23 - Service: HP WMI Interface (hpqwmi) - Hewlett-Packard Development Company, L.P. - C:\Program Files\HPQ\SHARED\HPQWMI.exe
                              O23 - Service: iPod Service - Apple Inc. - C:\Program Files\iPod\bin\iPodService.exe
                              O23 - Service: LightScribeService Direct Disc Labeling Service (LightScribeService) - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files\Common Files\LightScribe\LSSrvc.exe
                              O23 - Service: Norton AntiVirus Firewall Monitor Service (NPFMntor) - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files\Norton SystemWorks\Norton AntiVirus\IWP\NPFMntor.exe (file missing)
                              O23 - Service: Symantec Network Drivers Service (SNDSrvc) - Symantec Corporation - c:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\SNDSrvc.exe
                              O23 - Service: Symantec SPBBCSvc (SPBBCSvc) - Symantec Corporation - c:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\SPBBC\SPBBCSvc.exe
                              O23 - Service: TrueVector Internet Monitor (vsmon) - Zone Labs, LLC - C:\WINDOWS\system32\ZoneLabs\vsmon.exe
                              I give up for one night...BTW, the file in the virus chest opens on reboot every time because it is part of FAH. LOL


                              "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person. It's not fair to you and no challenge for us."
                              Walt Kelly

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