adding more ram

[Chewy]

hey chewy sorry for the delay work has been busy so havent been able to get back to you. the last time we talked you were wanting this post #21 "kick the computer into high gear(do something heavy duty with it? like a video encode?) see if cpu-z shows the multiplier kick up to full speed which would be 11X, not 5" the multiplier was running anywhere from 9-11. so still curious on what sort of ram to add bc i do want to upgrade some. thanks

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148007

get this on sale, pull the old stuff

[alphasigs819]

should i just get 1gb or should i get 2gb

[Chewy]

just 1 gig, like I said, it's only a single core cpu and a gig is plenty

[alphasigs819]

thanks chewy for all your help

[copyless]

The things I usually suggest to people when adding RAM are,

(1) Make sure you buy low density RAM, it is easy to find high density RAM at a much lower price today, but a lot of MB's will not accept it, and it is much slower, even with the same CAS.
(2) Make sure you add the same size stick, as in, if you have 512MB now, do not add a 1GB stick to it. Either add another 512MB stick of the same speed or else add 2x1GB sticks. Not only does the OS default to a lower speed if the speed is mixed, it also does not work well with mixed sized sticks.

And this has nothing to do with RAM but it does have to do with the speed of certain applications running, I have found a lot of pagefiles lately to be set way to low for the system and the size of the HD. I would check my pagefile to see what my setting is.

[Westly32]

The things I usually suggest to people when adding RAM are,

(1) Make sure you buy low density RAM, it is easy to find high density RAM at a much lower price today, but a lot of MB's will not accept it, and it is much slower, even with the same CAS.
(2) Make sure you add the same size stick, as in, if you have 512MB now, do not add a 1GB stick to it. Either add another 512MB stick of the same speed or else add 2x1GB sticks. Not only does the OS default to a lower speed if the speed is mixed, it also does not work well with mixed sized sticks.

If you have 2 512 sticks (on a dual core processor), can you add a single 512 stick for added speed, or will you have to add 2 instead?

[copyless]

Well since a dual core processor, is not actually a dual processor system. A dual processor system uses seperate buses and memory, a dual core processor uses the same bus and memory. One other thing to keep in mind is to use a dual core processor to it's fullest, the program has to be written to look for a dual core processor, which is multithreading, or else it only uses one processor, with the exception of multitasking.

I, myself would get rid of the two 512's and purchase two 1 GB's and install them.

[Chewy]

copyless,
I don't follow your logic, a multithreaded application's ram needs will be dependent upon the number of cores running those threads and

A dual processor system uses seperate buses and memory

where did this come from? some do some don't
see server motherboards newegg

[Chewy]

If you have 2 512 sticks (on a dual core processor), can you add a single 512 stick for added speed, or will you have to add 2 instead?

the problem is dual channel mode for memory, it requires matched sticks in pairs to work, with 4 slots there will be 2 sets of matched sticks, if you only added 1 stick that would kick the computer out of dual channel mode and could even lower performance

like I said earlier the optimal setup is only 2 sticks, some computers won't even run the ram at full speed with 4 sticks

In your case if you had slower ram then adding 2 1 gig sticks and pulling the older ram would be ideal

download and post the

http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php

specs on your installed ram

[copyless]

Sorry Chewy, maybe I didn't word it correctly, I was trying to say that the software being used would need to have SMP (Symmetric Multiprocessing) built in to the code to use the dual core to it's abitlity, if using only one app. If you are multitasking, this is different, since more than one program is being used. And to keep the dual channel mode is why I would install 2x1Gb's sticks and remove the 512.

I was speaking of two totally different systems, as in, 1: a dual processor system, which is two seperate processors with seperate buses and RAM slots. 2: the dual core processor, which you know better than me, two rocessors on the same die.

Depending on the make of the processor AMD or Intel, a dual core of 2 x 2GHz will not run at (in theory) 4 GHz, but more like 3.4 Ghz, whereas a dual processor would be the full 4 Ghz. Of course I'm not saying it's running a 3.4 or 4 but doing the same processes of a single proceesor of those speeds. These are just random number examples since it would depend on the manufacturer since both AMD and Intel use different architecture in the way the two processors communicate information between the two, and also the bus and memory speed, again since both are using the same bus and memory.

[Westly32]

the problem is dual channel mode for memory, it requires matched sticks in pairs to work, with 4 slots there will be 2 sets of matched sticks, if you only added 1 stick that would kick the computer out of dual channel mode and could even lower performance

like I said earlier the optimal setup is only 2 sticks, some computers won't even run the ram at full speed with 4 sticks

In your case if you had slower ram then adding 2 1 gig sticks and pulling the older ram would be ideal

download and post the

http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php

specs on your installed ram

Here's the report..

Chipset
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Northbridge ATI Xpress 200 (RS480) rev. 10
Southbridge ATI SB400 rev. 00
Memory Type DDR
Memory Size 1024 MBytes
Memory Frequency 199.0 MHz (CPU/9)
CAS# 3.0
RAS# to CAS# 3
RAS# Precharge 3
Cycle Time (tRAS) 8
Bank Cycle Time (tRC) 11
DRAM Idle Timer 16
Command Rate 2T


Memory SPD
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DIMM #1

General
Memory type DDR
Manufacturer (ID) Micron Technology (2CFFFFFFFFFFFFFF)
Size 512 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC3200 (200 MHz)
Part number 16VDDT6464AY-40BG6
Serial number BB076FE8
Manufacturing date Week 04/Year 06

Attributes
Number of banks 2
Data width 64 bits
Correction None
Registered no
Buffered no
EPP no

Timings table
Frequency (MHz) 133 166 200
CAS# 2.0 2.5 3.0
RAS# to CAS# delay 2 3 3
RAS# Precharge 2 3 3
TRAS 6 7 8



DIMM #2

General
Memory type DDR
Manufacturer (ID) Micron Technology (2CFFFFFFFFFFFFFF)
Size 512 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC3200 (200 MHz)
Part number 16VDDT6464AY-40BG6
Serial number BB076FE9
Manufacturing date Week 04/Year 06

Attributes
Number of banks 2
Data width 64 bits
Correction None
Registered no
Buffered no
EPP no

Timings table
Frequency (MHz) 133 166 200
CAS# 2.0 2.5 3.0
RAS# to CAS# delay 2 3 3
RAS# Precharge 2 3 3
TRAS 6 7 8

Is that enough, or would you need the entire report posted?

[Chewy]

Memory Frequency 199.0 MHz (CPU/9)
CAS# 3.0

again slow ram that hold back a good cpu

http://forum.digital-digest.com/showpost.php?p=537314&postcount=1

post this info also if everest will see your chipset??

what's the cpu?

[Westly32]

again slow ram that hold back a good cpu

http://forum.digital-digest.com/showpost.php?p=537314&postcount=1

post this info also if everest will see your chipset??

what's the cpu?

Here's that section from Everest

<table><tbody> <tr><td colspan="3">Motherboard Properties: </td></tr><tr> <td>
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>Motherboard ID </td><td>01/12/2006-RS480-SB400-6A666M4DC-00 </td></tr><tr> <td>
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>Motherboard Name </td><td>MSI RS480M2 (MS-7093) (3 PCI, 1 PCI-E x16, 4 DDR DIMM, Audio, Video, LAN, IEEE-1394) </td></tr><tr> <td> </td></tr><tr> <td>
</td><td>
</td><td colspan="3">Chipset Properties: </td></tr><tr> <td>
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>Motherboard Chipset </td><td>ATI Radeon Xpress 200, AMD Hammer </td></tr><tr> <td>
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>Memory Timings </td><td>3-3-3-8 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) </td></tr><tr> <td>
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>Command Rate (CR) </td><td>2T </td></tr><tr> <td> </td></tr><tr> <td>
</td><td>
</td><td colspan="3">SPD Memory Modules: </td></tr><tr> <td>
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>DIMM1: Micron Tech. 16VDDT6464AY-40BG6 </td><td>512 MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (3.0-3-3-8 @ 200 MHz) (2.5-3-3-7 @ 166 MHz) (2.0-2-2-6 @ 133 MHz) </td></tr><tr> <td>
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>DIMM2: Micron Tech. 16VDDT6464AY-40BG6 </td><td>512 MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (3.0-3-3-8 @ 200 MHz) (2.5-3-3-7 @ 166 MHz) (2.0-2-2-6 @ 133 MHz) </td></tr><tr> <td> </td></tr><tr> <td>
</td><td>
</td><td colspan="3">BIOS Properties: </td></tr><tr> <td>
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>System BIOS Date </td><td>01/12/06 </td></tr><tr> <td>
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>Video BIOS Date </td><td>05/07/19 </td></tr><tr> <td>
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>Award BIOS Type </td><td>Phoenix - Award BIOS v6.00PG </td></tr><tr> <td>
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>Award BIOS Message </td><td>Copyright 2005 by Hewlett-Packard Company Rev. 3.43 01/12/2006 </td></tr><tr> <td>
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>DMI BIOS Version </td><td>3.43 </td></tr></tbody></table>

[Chewy]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146577

this is what you have already

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227084

this would be the ultimate replacement sticks

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148007

4 of these sticks would be great but

Limit one rebate per eligible Crucial Ballistix memory kit per household.

[Westly32]

^^ Thanks for all your help. Very much appreciated.