Vista recalled?

[kass]

Is it true that Vista is being recalled the first part of 2008? Does anyone know for certain?

[browneye]

I see no indication that Vista is being recalled at any time.

[cynthia]

They promised to release SP1 in that period - so why should it be recalled?

[MilesAhead]

Vista has been called a lot of things. But it hasn't been recalled.

[Chewy]

If they didn't recall windows me, there's little hope for vista

actually the 2 have a lot in common, I have never seen so many people wanting to downgrade

maybe a service pack option to turn vista into vista lite instead of a RESOURCE HOG!

[MilesAhead]

If they didn't recall windows me, there's little hope for vista

actually the 2 have a lot in common, I have never seen so many people wanting to downgrade

maybe a service pack option to turn vista into vista lite instead of a RESOURCE HOG!

Chewy you should be more optimistic!! After all, it's only been since April
and already I almost have it tamed to where my HD doesn't
run on all the time!! I think I have it now so the HD stays quiet but the
booting time is reasonable. I have to log everything I do so I don't forget
how I got it here though!!

[Jensen]

Chewy you should be more optimistic!! After all, it's only been since April
and already I almost have it tamed to where my HD doesn't
run on all the time!! I think I have it now so the HD stays quiet but the
booting time is reasonable. I have to log everything I do so I don't forget
how I got it here though!!

Yeah I would like to see that log. I havent had too much problems with my Vista, but its still new to me.

[MilesAhead]

you are here->

Yeah I would like to see that log. I havent had too much problems with my Vista, but its still new to me.

I would start here: http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tuto...torial134.html

and turn off everything that idexes, shadow updates files on other
computers on the Lan, any Media Player stuff that scans your
drive for media files etc..

then I'd google for detailed Services descriptions and see which you
can turn off.

The other thing I recommend if you haven't already is to kill automatic
defragging.

Things I do manually:
run locate32 update databases
disk cleanup - to get rid of old restore points
disk defrag - I use Auslogics free one but that's cuz I'm cheap

How I set up my system is for how I use it. For instance I don't
run a swapfile. But then again, I don't use big office applications
either. I like to use small lightweight apps whenever possible.

The main thing I tried to get rid of were those sneaky file indexing
thingies hidden all over Vista. That's why you should read through
that features list. Even though I never run Windows Media Player
other than media player classic, and don't have a "media library"
set up,I found out WMP was indexing all the files on my drive even
though I had the Windows Indexing Service disabled(it doesn't get
the hint apparently.. so much for AI in the new age!!)

So, if you use WMP you might want to leave that on but I'd say
change one thing at a time and log it and watch your system
for a while. If all of a sudden it takes 5 times longer to boot,
you might want to undo the last change. Watch the HD light
and listen for that little clicking noise!!!

[Jensen]

I talked to a guy in India today, who recommended that auto-defrag should stay on. I proceeded to argue with him about too. I would think if your not moving huge files or apps on and off your hdd that you would not need to defrag each week. But he persisted and I agreed to shut him up (hp tech support). He sent me something that somewhat " Helps ", a tutorial to shut off apps that run in the background, and Windows Aero. Apparently it takes up resources alot too. Thats the one thing I liked about Win Vista, "Gosh!!" (N.D.) lol . I dont know though, your just talking about start up and shut-down, what other problems have you noticed with vista? I have only seen minor stuff, which I think is due to using uncompatible software with vista.


Jensen

[MilesAhead]

As I mentioned, if you can tune your PC like mine depends if you use
it like I do. AFA defragging goes, I defrag manually probably 3
times a week on average. But, I tend to keep my drives 70% free space
or better. So defrag only takes about 20 minutes max. (If I have large
files on the drive I wait until I'm done with them, delete 'em, then defrag.)

I don't know if other people would call it a problem but if I'm
waiting on my computer instead of it waiting on me, then to me it's
a problem. I don't like my HD running on for no purpose.

Unfortunately out of the box Vista has a bunch of stuff hooked into the
scheduler. However, unlike a "real multi-user operating system" it only
looks at CPU usage to find out if the machine is "busy." So, when I first
got this thing I was running a third party defragger when, guess what?
Windows defrag came on!!! Please!!! If you're going to schedule stuff
during slack times, make sure the hardware you're going to use isn't being
worked before you take it over!

Another example is Lan shadow, monitor, sync whatever you want to call
it. If I'm working in an office on the company network, then I probably
would want the system to automatically browse around on the network to
see if the file I'm using is the latest version or scan for files in
shared folders and see if they change. If I'm at home, I'm the one
changing the files, so I don't really need a service to keep running
my HD to find out if a file has been updated... and yada yada..

I guess I'm an older timer "control freak" PC user type. I like to
control the PC rather than the other way around.

[Chewy]

I have been studying up a little on vista, ran accross the superfetch where vista tries to
anticipate your program use and preload some of them, they claim alto it uses a heck of lot of ram than vista instantly releases it for other uses, seems like a quick launch on steroids, but gone amock.

And that use of a usb drive for readyboost feature where vista makes a ram drive on a 5MB/s thumb drive is about the craziest thing I have ever heard of.

because it has been shown that small random reads and writes on flash RAM can be 8-10 times faster than caching them to one of your hard drives.

Bullhockey

[MilesAhead]

I have been studying up a little on vista, ran accross the superfetch where vista tries to
anticipate your program use and preload some of them, they claim alto it uses a heck of lot of ram than vista instantly releases it for other uses, seems like a quick launch on steroids, but gone amock.

I agree. The last settings modifications I tried out were disabling
ReadyBoost and Superfetch. The ReadyBoost was no problem
but I found that if I disabled Superfetch my boot ups took a lot
longer. Turns out in the Windows\Prefetch folder there's a subfolder
called ReadyBoot. So what I've been doing for the last few days
is set Superfetch on Automatic and let it run when I first boot up.
Then after a while if I know I'm going to be doing intensive stuff
I just stop the service using the Services applet and leave it off.
That way the next time my machine boots Superfetch starts up
and I have a smooth bootup. That scheme seems to be working
very well.

The other thing I noticed was even though I did the registry hack
to reduce the wait time for services to close on shutdown to
8 seconds, my shutdowns were still taking between 20 and
30 seconds. Since I've been running with no swap, the
shutdown takes about 5 seconds consistently. I guess
somebody was impressed with Linux caching of everything
under the sun but a swapfile apparently isn't as efficient
as a swap partition. It seems like Vista is compelled to
rummage around in the swapfile doing something or
other for 20 seconds if you have one or else it isn't
happy. What it does with what's in there I have no
idea.

[Chewy]

Miles,
You seem way ahead of the game for someone who has a HP media center pc, are you running a dual boot? Do you have a secondary hard drive? Sooner or later we'll need a vista power user guide, altho that's a "contradiction in terms".

An old super power user trick is to have a swap file set up in a dedicated partition on a seperate hard drive/controller/cable from the system partition. That might be the way to set Vista free to do what it needs to efficiently

[MilesAhead]

Miles,
You seem way ahead of the game for someone who has a HP media center pc, are you running a dual boot? Do you have a secondary hard drive? Sooner or later we'll need a vista power user guide, altho that's a "contradiction in terms".

(I won't say "like military intelligence" because I don't want to be shot!)

Heh. I'd like to have a hot machine. I'm thirstin' for one of the quad core
PCs to be honest. I guess from back when PCs were very expensive I got
in the habit of being "one step behind" the curve so as to get reasonable
performance for an affordable price. But, after I watch these quad core
PCs come out for a while I don't think I'll be able to hold off. Esp. if I was
to earn some extra money somehow.

An old super power user trick is to have a swap file set up in a dedicated partition on a seperate hard drive/controller/cable from the system partition. That might be the way to set Vista free to do what it needs to efficiently

I knew someone who serviced and configured mini-computers and his
rule of thumb was one physical HD for executables, one for data, and one
just for virtual memory. I wish I had 2 physical drives so I could experiment
but I think there is some glitch in Vista because that slow shutdown is just
bizarre. The other thing that disappeared when I eliminated the swapfile
was that "calculating time to..." hanging dialog when doing file drag & drop.
Something is definitely weird.

I sort of have an unusual setup in that I've been using a Gateway monitor
and speakers from a Gateway Pentium III machine I had. I got a Belkin kvma
switch to save space on the desktop and run 2 machines on Lan.
When I buy a new machine I throw out the oldest. The new "old" machine
has most downloaded junk on it instead of the new "new" machine. So
I guess that's how I got in the habit of keeping my HD with a lot of free
space. I don't know how useful my guide would be since most people run
one machine(maybe not in this forum though I dunno') with 80% or more
disk space occupied?

Maybe something along the lines of "I'm doing this on my system and it
hasn't blown up yet" kind of informal tips might be good? I'm open to ideas.

[MilesAhead]

To answer your question on dual-boot... right now I'm in "run 'em as they are preinstalled mode." I used to do a lot of multi-OS setups on my machines but
I got into an "endless reinstall every 2 weeks" syndrome that got very tedious.
After that the feeling was "been there done that."