BlacX USB 2.0

[dr_ml422]

Only thing they've been implementing on the new boards and LTs is the E-Sata port. How much faster they talking w/usb 3.0 anyway?

[MilesAhead]

Supposedly there are 2 Asus boards USB 3.0 compatible or something. Whatever that means. I've seen one docking station, but I think it's German. Supposedly NEC has a PCI 1x card in Japan for $30. If they can really get the speed and you have the USB 2.0 backward compatibility I think it's gonna' fly. I hope it's standard by the time I get around to buying a new PC. Writing to external drives at 24 MB/sec is getting old. And I don't get psyched about opening up boxes anymore. I don't even own a ratchet anymore. Had enough of hardware R&R for a lifetime.

[dr_ml422]

Are you getting 24 MB/sec straight to your drive on the Docking Station on regular data only? Or are you talking video file transfers as well? Is this from 1 PC to another through your network, or from a PC to the Docking Station via it's USB port?

Set the write speed to max w/ImgBurn for data, and it'll zip like crazy. For video, I can sometimes get a nice burn from my Docking Station to my Sata Burner on max also, but it depends what kind of blanks I use, and of course their optimal write speed. My 2 Samsung Burners start the write-in slow and gradually goes toward the max rate, so the burn will come out ok on the blanks mentioned. Any other burners will go straight to the desired write max speed and stay there, so results might vary w/those.

Yes, I'm done w/the R&R myself w/opening etc... I'm staying w/this new build for a while, and only changing OS's when necessary. My next move is a nice LT. You build n learn. Lol.... Kinda went a lil crazy putting 2 nice builds together, and now my 1st just sits around as my newest is the Big Boy of the 2. W/a LT it would be different as I could use it to come on here etc... and do the small stuff. Leave the video and other larger stuff for the PC.

Economy's so bad I can't even get rid of my 1st build for a decent price, and you won't find 1 pre-built w/it's specs no where. I've checked. Especially w/7 64 on there etc...

[MilesAhead]

Most of the stuff I park on the USB drives are either backup images, or media files, so they are already compressed. I get pretty much a steady 24 MB/sec read or write directly through the USB port. Writing large files to the USB drive I get the illusion of a fast transfer, esp. on the Vista64 machine because it uses a lot of the 8 GB ram to cache it. The explorer copy will show me this big number but the USB drive will keep accessing long after the files are supposedly on there. That's ok though. It completes in the background and I can move on to something else.

[gonwk]

Hi folks,

@ Miles ... writing at 24MB/Sec. ... I would kill for that write speed ... try 4 or 5MB/Sec. ... feels like pulling your tooth.

@ dr_ml422 ... Site unseen on your 1st Build ... would u take couple bucks and call it a deal!?!?

G!

[doctorhardware]

I do not think that he will take that little for it. Or plus $1000 shipping and handle then it is a deal.

[MilesAhead]

Hi folks,

@ Miles ... writing at 24MB/Sec. ... I would kill for that write speed ... try 4 or 5MB/Sec. ... feels like pulling your tooth.

My USB key drives write at 4.5 MB/sec. Maybe that's what you mean?
They seem to be a crap shoot. Stuff I've seen as top rated for write speed in benchmarks on the web, then I see user reviews on the store sites and they are lucky to be twice as fast as mine, and mine a among the slowest rated.

Both my USB 2.0 external drives and internal drives in USB 2.0 docking stations seem to come in right around 24 MB/sec.. so that must be the most I can get with these HP machines afa USB ports.

[gonwk]

... Both my USB 2.0 external drives ... seem to come in right around 24 MB/sec. ...

Hi Miles,

No, I am talking about my WD 1.5TB Elements USB 2.0 External HD ... this thing when I was loading it up with my other Externals (the 120GB and 320GB and few other small ones) ... my transfer speed varied from 4MB/Sec. to max of 14MB/Sec. on my Gateway laptop with T5750 CPU and 4MB RAM... and that was all.

G!

[MilesAhead]

I guess USB uses the CPU to do the work. USB 3.0 must have it's own processor to get the speed. I've never used a laptop so I'm not familiar with them. I got as far as putting my fingers on the keyboard. Just can't stand using a keyboard that won't allow me to touch type. It just feels too weird.

[dr_ml422]

I guess USB uses the CPU to do the work. USB 3.0 must have it's own processor to get the speed. I've never used a laptop so I'm not familiar with them. I got as far as putting my fingers on the keyboard. Just can't stand using a keyboard that won't allow me to touch type. It just feels too weird.

Tell him Doc, he will not get anything really that close to my 1st build online.


@gonwk >http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?t=87327



I wonder how they incorporate a processor into the USB 3.o? Must be like the ram they put into the PCI-e 16 x GPU's.

I never used a laptop either, but it will come in handy for dl'ng apps., replying to forums, and simple stuff not requiring much power/rendering. I almost started putting the last touches on my 1st build today to turn it on. It would just be a xtra PC doing more or less what I do w/my new monster. Thank God I didn't send my daughter the Dell monitor. I'm using it now as I had to RMA the Acer again. No more Acer's prolly. Samsung, Benqs, which left Acer, or if I can swing it A new Dell monitor which are slamming now.

Doc has a good one too. Names can be misleading. The chips and hardware are the ticket.

Btw, using my headset w/mic w/G-Mail's free video/chat. No cam yet, but the call was so crisp, and no dropped calls or static at all. Was chatting/talking w/my Phillipine Hunny.

[MilesAhead]

Here's a write-up with pic of the NEC card

http://vr-zone.com/articles/nec-unveils-usb-3.0-pci-express-card/7061.html?doc=7061

[dr_ml422]

Here's a write-up with pic of the NEC card

http://vr-zone.com/articles/nec-unve....html?doc=7061

This is awesome Miles, and you just turned me on to a really cool site too.

I wonder though like you said if it's really that fast? I mean 25GB Blu-Ray at 70 secs. is crazy fast.

[MilesAhead]

It will be interesting to see real world machines with it on. That's like when I went from 100 Mb/sec Lan to 1000 Mb/sec. I knew I probably wouldn't be able to actually get the 10x speed, but I figured if it was a steady 3x faster I'd be happy. Turned out better than that. It was worth sticking a card in the machine after years of studiously avoiding it.

Now if I'm really lucky in a few months off the shelf machines will have USB 3.0 standard, plus Windows 7 64 bit SP1, and 16 GB ram. Oh and I'll have the spare cash to buy one.

[dr_ml422]

I have the 1000 Mb/sec Lan through my Netgear multi-port. I also have a Atheros 1GB Lan controller on board on my new build. How do you/I measure how fast the Lan is really at?

Also on that 24MBs or w/e data transfer rate is your PC stocked up to actually use the 8Gigs of Ram you have? It won't use them if not needed, just like the cores won't kick in if not needed either. Thnx.

On that future purchase are you looking to get a mobo w/virtualization built in? Most AMDs have them, but w/Intel you have to go pretty high end.

[MilesAhead]

I have the 1000 Mb/sec Lan through my Netgear multi-port. I also have a Atheros 1GB Lan controller on board on my new build. How do you/I measure how fast the Lan is really at?

I send big files across. From the quad core with the faster HD I can send at over 100 MB/sec for awhile, then it tapers down to around 80. In the other direction the sending drive is a lot slower so I get about a steady 45 MB/sec in that direction.

Also on that 24MBs or w/e data transfer rate is your PC stocked up to actually use the 8Gigs of Ram you have? It won't use them if not needed, just like the cores won't kick in if not needed either. Thnx.

Not sure I know exactly what you mean. On 2008 Server there's a bug where sending files will cache until the OS runs out of memory and it crashes. Apparently it works ok on Vista64. All I'm saying is you can't possibly write to the external USB faster than the USB port will go. Explorer tells you it's writing faster than 24 MB/sec but it's just telling you the write is finished even though it's still going on in the background. You can only get so much pressure through a funnel.

On that future purchase are you looking to get a mobo w/virtualization built in? Most AMDs have them, but w/Intel you have to go pretty high end.

The virtual feature is the lowest on my list. More concerned with stuff like USB 3.0, fast HD and memory and CPU etc.. For me setting up that virtual stuff is a headache. I know some people either like doing it or they have to in order to run a program. For me if I need to run XP I'd rather just slice off some HD space and install the real thing and boot to it.