USB 3.0: What You Need To Know

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  • atifsh
    Lord of Digital Video
    Lord of Digital Video
    • May 2003
    • 1534

    USB 3.0: What You Need To Know

    It's fast. The new standard breaks the 480Mb/s data transfer limit of USB 2.0 and takes it to a new theoretical maximum of 4.8Gb/s. Keep in mind that real-world performance can be considerably lower than that. USB 3.0 devices are not expected to reach their full potential at launch, but as the standard matures the USB-IF considers it reasonable to achieve a throughput of 3.2Gb/s, or just about enough to transfer a 27GB high definition movie in little over a minute rather than 15 or more with USB 2.0.

    It's bi-directional. Unlike previous versions where data can only be piped in one direction at a time, USB 3.0 can read and write data simultaneously. This is achieved by adding two new lanes dedicated to transmit SuperSpeed data and another pair for receiving it, bringing the total number of connections from four on USB 2.0 (power, ground and two for sending/receiving non-SuperSpeed data) to nine counting the 3.0 ground contact.
    Furthermore, the signaling method, while still host-directed, abandons device polling in favor of a new interrupt-driven protocol. This ensures that the USB host controller doesn't continually access a connected device in anticipation of a data transfer. Instead, USB 3.0 devices will send the host a signal to begin a data transfer.

    It's more power efficient. The signaling method mentioned directly above also means that non-active or idle devices won't have their power drained by the host controller as it looks for active data traffic. Minimum device operating voltage is dropped from 4.4 V to 4 V. On the other hand, the USB-IF has upped the maximum bus power output from about 500 mA to 900 mA, which will enable power-hungrier devices to be bus-powered and USB hubs to support more peripherals. There's also the bonus that battery-powered devices should charge faster.

    It's backwards compatible. Your existing USB 2.0 gear will work on version 3.0 ports and vice versa. You'll be able to maximize your bandwidth when using a USB 3.0 cable with USB 3.0 devices and ports, otherwise plugging a 3.0 device into a 2.0 port or a 2.0 device into 3.0 a port will get you standard USB 2.0 data rates.

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    Seems like as soon you buy somehing, v. 2 comes out 1.5 times as fast!..!
  • admin
    Administrator
    • Nov 2001
    • 8951

    #2
    Should be very useful, what with mainstream external drives in the TB range now. Would take hours and hours right now to transfer a full TB drive using USB 2.0.
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    • atifsh
      Lord of Digital Video
      Lord of Digital Video
      • May 2003
      • 1534

      #3
      good thing is we dont need to change our old hardware... such as webcams n likes.

      how fast is E-sata?
      Seems like as soon you buy somehing, v. 2 comes out 1.5 times as fast!..!

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      • admin
        Administrator
        • Nov 2001
        • 8951

        #4
        eSATA has a theoretical speed of 3 Gbps, USB 3.0 is 5 Gbps. Real world speed suggests that USB 3.0 will be faster, and as it is backwards compatible with USB 2.0, I suspect this means the end of eSATA and bad news for Firewire as well.
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        • doctorhardware
          Lord of Digital Video
          Lord of Digital Video
          • Dec 2006
          • 1907

          #5
          There are card out for the USB 3.0 that are for the pcie X1 slots. I think that I saw the card for like $30.00Usd. I don't remember where.
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          • MilesAhead
            Eclectician
            • Nov 2006
            • 2615

            #6
            Originally Posted by doctorhardware
            There are card out for the USB 3.0 that are for the pcie X1 slots. I think that I saw the card for like $30.00Usd. I don't remember where.
            I posted a couple of items about it a few weeks ago. I believe it's NEC. I'm not sure if you can get them in the states yet. I'm hoping the flood gates will open and stuff like WD Media Player, the BlacX docking station will quickly come out with USB 3.0 versions. Files are getting so big now. USB 2.0 is ok for letting your system back up while you are watching TV or something. But esp. media stuff is getting so massive we need the next generation in throughput.

            edit: here's a pic of the card. Don't know if it's exported yet. Also I believe there's a German made docking station similar to BlacX that's USB 3.0. I'm hoping withing 6 months I can start getting some of this stuff.

            Last edited by MilesAhead; 31 Dec 2009, 04:42 PM.

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            • atifsh
              Lord of Digital Video
              Lord of Digital Video
              • May 2003
              • 1534

              #7
              Originally Posted by admin
              eSATA has a theoretical speed of 3 Gbps, USB 3.0 is 5 Gbps. Real world speed suggests that USB 3.0 will be faster, and as it is backwards compatible with USB 2.0, I suspect this means the end of eSATA and bad news for Firewire as well.
              its good news for me. who needs 2 3 different hardware and cables to do ones work.
              Seems like as soon you buy somehing, v. 2 comes out 1.5 times as fast!..!

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              • MilesAhead
                Eclectician
                • Nov 2006
                • 2615

                #8
                Looks like they are starting to show up. Here's one for sale on the egg:



                edit: here's a docking station to go with it:



                the article has the proviso "if your motherboard is new enough to support USB 3.0 devices" or words to that effect. How one determines this I'm not sure.
                Last edited by MilesAhead; 1 Jan 2010, 05:36 AM.

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                • doctorhardware
                  Lord of Digital Video
                  Lord of Digital Video
                  • Dec 2006
                  • 1907

                  #9
                  Originally Posted by MilesAhead
                  Looks like they are starting to show up. Here's one for sale on the egg:



                  edit: here's a docking station to go with it:



                  the article has the proviso "if your motherboard is new enough to support USB 3.0 devices" or words to that effect. How one determines this I'm not sure.
                  The docking station will set you back $58.99. I think that is the board at egg that I saw. Just could not remember where it was.
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                  • MilesAhead
                    Eclectician
                    • Nov 2006
                    • 2615

                    #10
                    This may seem like a stupid question, but I haven't gotten into the PC hardware thing other than sticking a card in here and there.. when they talk about motherboard they are saying USB 3.0 chipset and the ports already provided. But I'm assuming if you have a PCI motherboard with a free slot you can plug in a USB 3.0 PCI card and get a couple of USB 3.0 ports.. or is there more to it?

                    It just seems a bit ambiguous.

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                    • doctorhardware
                      Lord of Digital Video
                      Lord of Digital Video
                      • Dec 2006
                      • 1907

                      #11
                      The card from egg is for the pci express slot which is the 1x slot and not the standard pci card slot or the 16x card slot for the viedo card.
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                      • atifsh
                        Lord of Digital Video
                        Lord of Digital Video
                        • May 2003
                        • 1534

                        #12
                        here is it
                        Attached Files
                        Seems like as soon you buy somehing, v. 2 comes out 1.5 times as fast!..!

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                        • mutant
                          Junior Member
                          Junior Member
                          • Mar 2006
                          • 4

                          #13
                          Good info atifsh. It's about time USB 3.0 came out.

                          I'm hoping Intel's Light Peak will be out soon too which Apple is behind. Much faster than USB 3.0.
                          Could be the next big thing for connectivity.

                          Remember how Intel showed off its new, advanced optical standard -- Light Peak -- this past week on a Hackintosh? Well it turns out there's more to that story than you probably know, and it all leads back to some revealing facts about the connection... literally and figuratively. Engadget has learned -- thanks to an extremely reliable source -- that not only is Apple complicit in the development of Light Peak, but the company actually brought the concept to Intel and asked them to create it. More to the point, the new standard will play a hugely important role in upcoming products from Cupertino.
                          Last edited by mutant; 5 Jan 2010, 04:27 AM. Reason: addition

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