Hey Admin

[ormonde]

"who do you trust on the economy."

Not Bush - that's for sure!

[rsquirell]

I thought there might be something funny about that 10 point overnight shift in the CNN poll. Maybe they're trying to lull us into complacency. Goes to show you how easy it is to manipulate polls. It appears that Sinclair takes its politics seriously. Oh, and I can guarantee you that a tax increase isn't going to stimulate the economy.

[ormonde]

Consider the obvious facts:

1. The healthcare system in this country (USA) is collapsing - premiums and costs are through the roof. Approximately 45 million Americans are without healthcare.

2. The budget and trade deficits combined will be at 3 trillion dollars by the end of January 2005 at the end of Bush's first term in office. Also, the national debt will be approaching 500 billion. We are dangerously approaching a "Hyper-inflationary" situation that could have potentially devastating results to our economy.

3. The "Department of Labor" statistics for the month of September showed only a net gain of 96,000 jobs - economic analysts were predicting 148,000 for the month in job gains (way short of the mark). We have already lost 3 million manufacturing jobs since 2000. The national unemployment rate is holding steady at 5.4%.

4. The GSE's (Fanny Mae, Freddy Mac) have lost about a third of their capital base - they're in real trouble.

5. All the capital (3.8 trillion between 1984 to 1992) in the Social Security Trust Fund is gone - it's been replaced by worthless U.S. Treasury instruments.

6. Personal as well as small business bankruptcies are dramatically on the rise (1.27 million in 2001; will reach 2.0 million at the end of 2004).

7 Consumer installment debt (credit cards and all other small loans) was at 1.38 trillion in 2001 and has now reached a record 2.02 trillion.

8. The current price per barrel of crude now stands at 55 dollars - the price of a gallon of regular gas is at $2.00 (or more in some places). Heating fuel costs are expected to skyrocket this season.

Bush has been President for 4 years - so this deterioration cannot be blamed on the Democrats (Liberals, Communists - whatever you want to call them).

[rsquirell]

The latest is Sinclair is only going to air a part of Stolen Honor. Stay tuned. The reason I predict a landslide is not poll-based. It's based on the fact that the demographic of this country hasn't changed much in 15 years. Each party has its hard core base of around 40%. The remaining 20% are libertarians (like me). We voted heavily for Reagan during the '80s because he gave us pride in our country again, after 4 defeatist years of Carter. We went for Bush in '88 because he promised more of the same. But his anti-drug obssession was insane...he was turning the country into a police state and people were having their property siezed if even a seed was found in their boat, airplane, car, or home. He had ex-military officers in position to make economic decisions (and they were screwing up bad.) When he reneged on his "no new taxes" pledge, I vowed to stay home. But then came an option...Ross Perot popped up with the promise of fiscal responsibility. Perot got 20% of the vote...allowing Clinton to win with 44% (his base). The same was pretty much true in '96 when Perot took 10% ( mostly from the republican collumn)...and Clinton won with 49% ( he never got over 50% of the vote.) People were reluctant to vote for another Bush in '00...which is why that race was so close. He inherited a recession which had started during the Clinton...and took immediate effective steps to turn the economy around (using advise from businessmen) by cutting taxes. After 911 he quashed any fears we might have had about his leadership when he stepped up to the plate and declared a war on terror...and the states that sponsor terror. He has proven himself to be a responsive, effective leader...and he's going to get a lot more support than what's reflected in the polls right this second. State-by-state he keeps the "red states" that voted for him last time...and picks up several ( probably not all) of the "blue states". His base is energized...and the ranks have swollen by most of the old Perot voters who are energized when they look at the alternative...a phony war-hero/traitor who will cut-and-run on the war on terror. All you have to do is ask yourself the question, "if you were Osama...who would you vote for?"

[ormonde]

"he was turning the country into a police state"

And you don't think that is what is happening now with Deputy Reichsfuehrer Johan Ashcroft's war on "Civil Liberties" with the institution of the Patriot Act (soon to be Patriot II).

The Patriot I Act and the 53 pieces of ensuing legislation passed thereunto and incorporated into it gave law enforcement and military and security forces all the tools to strip the American people from their civil rights. When the President first mentioned that many of the provisions of Patriot I would expire this year, there was clapping and a loud clapping from the Republican side of the aisle which obviously surprised the President and took him off guard. In fact he was consternated by it and lost his place on the TelePrompTer and it sorely tested his new collagen injection in his upper cheekbones, which prevent his cheekbones from getting that red splotchiness - when he lies.

[rsquirell]

Hey guy....knock, knock, knock...we're at war Nearly twice as many people died in 911 than at Pearl Harbor...and the enemy is trying to get their hands on devices that can take millions of us out at a time. The restrictions we put up with in WWII were more strengent than any provisions of the patriot act. If roosevelt was in power he'd have the entire muslim community in a camp somewhere. You'll find an ardent Kerry supporter in the attachment.

[ormonde]

"and the enemy is trying to get their hands on devices that can take millions of us out at a time"

And who is it that "Still" has more "Weapons of Mass Destruction" than anyone else on the planet? We certainly now know Iraq never had them after 1991 that is.

[rsquirell]

Noone said they did. After the Israeli airstrike on the Iraqi Nuclear facility in the early 70's all of the arab countries (including Saudi Arabia) poured tons of money into a country out of Israeli range (Pakistan) and funded research on the "islamic bomb." Guess what....with the help of the red communist chinese the Islamic bomb was completed...and component parts and instructions how to build were shipped to every arab country that participated. Libya turned theirs over and disavowed the extremist islamic agenda in order to get off the "axis of evil" list. I know unilateral disarmament is a pet Kerry project...wanna talk about it some more?

[ormonde]

"all of the arab countries (including Saudi Arabia) poured tons of money into a country out of Israeli range"

And why haven't we focused more on the Bushonian connection with the Saudi Royal family? Listen...the technology for the manufacture of fissile material has been out of the "Pandora’s Box" for some time now - there is no way to censor it or erase it from a person's memory banks; we are going to have to live with that threat forever. If we are to worry about anything right now, then worry about all the "Loose" nukes floating around from the collapse of the former Soviet Union. That certainly needs to be monitored.

[rsquirell]

Hey...you think we're not worried about loose nukes? That's part of what the Patriot Act is all about. And the war (and it IS a war) on terror is a global one...we're monitoring threats all over the world. I don't know why you guys are so hung up on Iraq...you have to think strategically...and Iraq is only one of many countries that support terror (well...they don't support terror now....he he he.) There are several other countries on that "axis of terror" list...but we don't have the resource to get them all at once. So we wait...and strike when WE'RE ready. one at a time. Sadam is still alive....should we give Iraq back to him and appologize for the inconvienience?

[ormonde]

"That's part of what the Patriot Act is all about."

Well, I don't agree entirely with that. It still is more domestic in it's consequences. There are sinister implications in the fact that various provisions of the so-called Patriot II Act are being surreptitiously slipped into other legislation. John Ashcroft has admitted as much, saying that it will be used to expand law enforcement powers "upon the passage of all provisions of Patriot II." This would lead one to believe that they’re going to try to break it up and slip it in. Otherwise he would have said, "upon the passage of the act," not "all provisions." That gives you some clue as to what the Bush strategy is with the bill. Ashcroft then went on to say that he would sign a so-called "Blanket Letter of National Security Findings," which would make the issuance of secret arrest warrants possible and eliminate the need for law enforcement to request individual letters from the Department of Justice or relevant agencies regarding actions against groups or individuals. There are currently six bills pending in Congress that would take provisions from Patriot Act II -- HR-3179, the Anti-Terrorism Intelligence Tools Improvement Act of 2003; HR-3037, Anti-Terrorism Tools Enhancement Act of 2003; HR2934 and S1604, Terrorist Penalties Enhancement Act of 2003; HR3040 and S1606, Pre-trial Detention and Lifetime Supervision of Terrorists Act of 2003. The most sinister of these is HR3179, sponsored by Representative James Sensenbrenner and co-sponsored by the infamous/ sinister Porter Goss. And who is Porter Goss? Porter Goss, (R-FL) is surprise! a former CIA agent who left the CIA under clouded circumstances (now head of the CIA). He was a field agent but was actually forced out because of a trail of bodies that got tagged to him, literally, all over the world. And here is, as they say, the rest of the story...

Porter Goss had been involved in the last-ditch efforts by the CIA to save the CIA-backed and -financed regime of Nicaraguan, tin-horn, right-wing dictator Anastasio Somoza, before Somoza’s fall in 1979. After that the Sandinistas were voted into power.

The CIA knew that the Somoza Regime was falling apart. In 1979, they undertook a last-ditch effort to save the regime by attempting to assassinate the leaders of the then-nascent Sandinista movement, which became a political party shortly thereafter. They attempted to penetrate the ranks of the Sandinistas. Porter Goss, it’s interesting to note, claimed that he was the one who turned the man who would later become a member of the Sandinista ruling council, Tomas Borges. Borges was subsequently the CIA ‘s point man in Nicaragua pursuant to the CIA’s narcotics trafficking during Iran Contra.

"I don't know why you guys are so hung up on Iraq"

"Hung up"?? That is quite a caviler statement to make considering what has been happening. An unbelievable human tragedy has been unfolding in Iraq ever since we "Illegally" invaded it. There is no doubt it's a good thing that Saddam is gone - no one would dispute that, but how much more hardship do the Iraqi people have to endure? How much more do our soldiers have to endure? We have now lost more than 1100 of our troops. And the poor Iraqis (mostly civilians – but we don’t seem to care) have lost at least 13,000 (conservative estimate - probably closer to 15,000). You don't call that a quagmire? We are going to have to go back to the negotiating table (whatever that might entail) at some point. If we continue to do things according to the "PNAC" charter (The New World Order), then we might as well start climbing in the coffins right now, because there won't be many of us around in the not so distant future.

Oh I almost forgot - what about this developement that happened earlier today:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/19/robertson.bush.iraq/

[megamachine]

Not that it should matter, but as far as I know Zogby and Nader are both 2nd generation Lebanese Christians, and US citizens. BTW, I've got an amateur video entitled "Godzilla vs the Bush Beast," and would be happy to post it if any one has space.

[ormonde]

"Zogby and Nader are both 2nd generation Lebanese Christians, and US citizens."

Yes - you are right. Unfortunately, Nader, as much as I respect many of the things that he has said, he should have stayed out of it this time around. Too much is at stake for him to end up being a spoiler this year.

[megamachine]

Mm hm, just wanted to clear up the earlier post claiming they were both "Muslims." Nonsense. Another bit of nonsense, for what it's worth, is that Libya was pursuing an extremist "Islamic" agenda. Extremist perhaps, but not Islamic, at all. Qaddafi was an Arab nationalist for decades, and put more Islamic activists in prison than most other Arab leaders had ever done. Then, in the 1990s he disavowed Arab nationalism and donned the garb of an African nationalist. Today, his newest costume is anyone's guess. Anyhow, never mind my quibbling, and keep the debate raging!

[rsquirell]

I don't think the religion of the men matters...I had seen that they were muslims on some site....goes to show you that you always have to check documentation for yourself. Libya was one of the first arab states to actively sponsor terrorism...remember the nightclub bombing in Germany, and the PanAm/Lockerby bomb? The mooamar decided to keep a low profile after our F-111's hit his airports and AA missile facilities...and a Harrier popped up at his personal quarters spraying the area (missing him....but taking out his daughter.) He knows we can get serious, and wasted no time distancing himself from the from the current batch of fundamentalists to get himself taken off the "axis of evil" list. The Left's hatred for America's effort to stop the spread of communism in this hemisphere can be attributed to the 57 members of the House of Representatives "Progressive Caucus" ( which includes EVERY member of the "Black Legislative Caucus") who formed Democratic Socialists of America ( www.dsausa.org ). If you go to their site...click on the link to the parent organization ( Socialist International) and check out their members list you'll discover that the Nicaraguan branch is represented by the Sandanista Liberation Front. They used to proudly display the House of Representatives membership list on their website...but took it off just prior to the '02 election...so I provide an attachment with the membership list I made in 1998. Unfortunately text formatting leaves a lot to be desired. I'd love to see your vid, Mega. I just perfected a vid I made from a vacation I took to Russia...it slams both Clinton and George Bush Senior...that I made into a documentary. I'd love to show it and get your critical review...if admin will give his permission. Please feel free to point out any errors that I might make in any of my analysis...I'd hate to make the same errors on other forums. Hmmmm....hadn't been to the DSA site for a while...and it looks like they aren't proudly showing off the parent organization as they once did...so go to the Socialist International site (
www.socialistinternational.org ) ...click on "members" and you can find links to both dsa and the sandanistas.