Off topic discussion

[Mig$y]

Originally posted by setarip

(Your question has nothing to do with DVD95Copy's superior ability to deal with ARccOS-protected DVDs)...

And as if by magic..

That is now apparent now that brewcan12 has clarified what he is trying to achieve.

[setarip]

To Mig$y

1) You: "No doubt setarip will be along in a minute to remind us all that DVD95Copy can handle this all in one."



2) You: "Originally posted by setarip

'(Your question has nothing to do with DVD95Copy's superior ability to deal with ARccOS-protected DVDs)...'
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"And as if by magic..

That is now apparent now that brewcan12 has clarified what he is trying to achieve."

To say that you now have me totally bewildered would be an understatement.

After your first remark, I wanted to make certain that "brewcan12" understood that there would be NO particular additional benefit gained by using DVD95Copy for his/her question.

Is there some point you are trying to make? If so, please clarifiy it...

[blutach]

Let me (as migsy is way too polite - I do not suffer from this shortcoming): I wonder, if we did a search, how many times we would find, out of your 21,000 majestic posts, you have recommended this commercial product over freeware solutions.

I'm sure there is a Superior Transcoders Forum that is probably dedicated to discussing this wonderful (commercial) product.

Regards

[Mig$y]

I know you are a DVD95Copy fan.....

Ok with you?

[setarip]

To Mig$y

"I know you are a DVD95Copy fan.....
Ok with you?"

Of course it's okay. I just didn't understand what you meant...

As a sidenote - I'm a "fan" of whatever software does a particular job best (Somewhat similar to [but in a less prejudicial manner than] another poster who, I wonder if we counted how many times, has posted his/her opinion extolling the virtues of DVDDecrypter versus his/her extremely negative opinion of NERO ;>}).

FYI - I INTENTIONALLY avoided having my "sticky" regarding DVD95Copy placed in the DVDShrink sub-forums here, because I understand the natural "pro" bias (which I share to a great extent) that exists here in favor of DVDShrink.

[blutach]

@setarip

Last time I looked, DVD Decrypter, which does a hell of a lot better job than most (commercial) burning progs - thanks CouJo and thanks Lightning UK! for integrating it! - cost many many dollars less. In fact, now I look... it's free!!! Why wouldn't you use it? - I guess, if you wanna make coasters, stick to (commercial) Nero. If you don't, go with DVD Decrypter, where a contribution to Lightning UK! is entirely voluntary.

I might go out and get Nero. I have a party coming up and don't have nearly enough coasters for beer and coffee.

In the meantime, for DVD-9 to DVD-5 copying, I'll stick to the very tried and true combo of DVD Shrink and DVD Decrypter - both freeware.

And you should stop spruiking DVD95Copy - there's a rule against SPAM in this forum. Moderators, please enforce it!

Regards

[cynthia]

Originally posted by setarip
FYI - I INTENTIONALLY avoided having my "sticky" regarding DVD95Copy placed in the DVDShrink sub-forums here, because I understand the natural "pro" bias (which I share to a great extent) that exists here in favor of DVDShrink.

There have been a similar discussion in the DVD Decrypter forum. Some posters do suggest that instead of using DVD Decrypter "use DVD95Free" or a similar program. People even start new threads with burning problems with Nero.

The basic of that discussion is that if you have a problem with one program - and you can came up with a work-around as a temporary solution such as the PSL files until the next version of DVD Decrypter is released - why suggest a different program? It's like you have a problem with your Ford and the solution offered by the staff at your Ford service garage - buy a GM. If your car is realy broken and can't be fixed - ok that could be a solution. But it is still the same as "I have a problem with Linux" and the suggestion is "use Windows".

The other outcome of that discussion is that only problems/suggestion that are related to DVD Decrypter should be posted. A Nero problem don't belong in that forum.

Back to the DVD Shrink problematics - yes the program is no longer updated/developt - so we have to use some workarounds and other programs to get it to work. Today I haven't seen a DVD with ARccOS or other things that can't be backup up with DVD Shrink so there is no need to go to buy another program IF you still want to use a freeware solution.

If the program in no way can handle new DVDs and it can't be solved with workarounds - then we can begin to search for another solution with another program. Today there is no need for such a solution.

It can take a few days before there is posted a working solution on a new released DVD. The problem the last weeks is that the ARccOS protection system have been changed with the introduction on the region 2 market. The current workarounds are only needed for regions outside region 1. So the old solution with DVD Decrypter 3.5.2.0 still works with new releases on the region 1 market. The next version of DVD Decrypter will also solve the problems that now involve the use of a PSL file.

The recommendation to use DVD43Free is that it helps DVD Shrink to overcome the ARccOS system and works in the background and should really not be noticed when you use DVD Shrink as it was intended to work - a one click solution. The program is also freeware.

But this forum is dedicated to DVD Shrink and the persons who visit this place deserves to have their basic problems with the program solved and not answered with "buy a new/another one". If a poster does ask the question "Is there other similar programs I can use?" - Feel free to suggest other programs.

In the old 3.1 versions - you could only burn with Nero - that's why that program still is used and questions are answered for. Roxio has never been a DVD Shrink related product and questions about that program don't belong in the DVD Shrink forum. CopyToDVD is another program you can use to burn with from DVD Shrink and problems with that program are also related to this forum. Today the main recommendation - especially if you don't have Nero - is to use the freeware DVD Decrypter for burning.

[setarip]

To cynthia

I'm glad to see that you understand why I arranged for my DVD95Copy-related "sticky" to be posted in the "DVD Recording" and "DVD" groups of sub-forums here, but NOT in the "DVD Shrink" sub-forums...

[cynthia]

But I do support the idea to set up more forums dedicated to specific programs. The problem many times is to find someone willing to take the job to moderate such a forum.

[cynthia]

To avoid that this thread is elected "hi-jacked thread of the month" - I split it and let the original threadstarter keep a clean thread.

[Mig$y]

Moved to OT

[setarip]

"But I do support the idea to set up more forums dedicated to specific programs."

Since you've apparently made this statement in response to my last post, I'll offer you my opinion - I thought (and still do) that the creation of the DVD Shrink sub-forums was unnecessary. I believed (and still do) that DVD Shrink-related postings could have readily been handled in the two DVD-related sub-forum groups already in existence. Unless it's a forum related to a "hot new product", I believe any "special interest" forum will have very limited activity - witness your NERO Recode sub-forum...

"The problem many times is to find someone willing to take the job to moderate such a forum."

It would seem that with the DVDShrink activity more and more being reduced to mostly, "I'm having a problem with copying (Fill in the name of the latest DVD release)", the present crew of DVD Shrink sub-forum moderators should be readily able to cover such a new sub-forum - should "admin" approve creation of yet another limited interest sub-forum (perhaps one for more "tech"-oriented programs such as the group of "Edit" programs).

[Mig$y]

Originally posted by setarip
should "admin" approve creation of yet another limited interest sub-forum (perhaps one for more "tech"-oriented programs such as the group of "Edit" programs).

Not a bad idea, although I believe there will not be a lot of activity either due to Doom9

[sfheath]

Just to add my twopenneth;
I think the plethora of forums and sub forums almost daunting. Certainly, judging by newbies first posts (either being wildly in the wrong forum or in the most appropriate but apologetic if they weren't!) that they do too.
When I had more time to surf I'd scour down each of my chosen specialist sub-forums but now mainly scan the recent and ones I've posted in.
That said, I think the FAQ/Knowlegebase is of immense use and fully deservable of standing as a sub-forum

[blutach]

This is rare and much as I hate to type it - I agree with setarip's last posting.

DVD Shrink needs General Discussions and FAQs only IMO. It would be great if the FAQs could somehow be tiered so that the main FAQ page had say 8 "Headings" which contained all the FAQs pertaining to that heading (e.g. DVD Shrink error codes). That would tidy things up considerably there.

As far as an editor's forum goes, doom9 does service this end of the "market" but many people here do not belong to, or post at, doom9. A general editors forum - which could encompass PgcEdit, IfoEdit, VobEdit, MenuEdit, VobBlanker, MenuShrink, VIDChanger, PgcDemux and a plethora of other little tools - might get an audience. However, there would inevitably be "crossover" in postings, just as Nero and DVD Decrypter questions are posted in DVD Shrink instead of in the burning and decrypting forums. As well, the authors of these programs and other highly technical folks may not frequent this board much - I have seen very limited postings by r0lZ (only information on releases) and none by Derrow (who has been silent for months now), jsoto (who is a daily log in to doom9) and mpucoder (a senior moderator at doom9), for example. Is it therefore worth creating an editors forum? I think not.

But where is it logical to group discussions about these progs? Probably for the applications which use them the most downstream - yes, DVD Shrink. Note, I am NOT advocating a subforum of DVD Shrink for these progs.

One might also query whether these progs should be discussed more in an "authoring/reauthoring" forum, where, for example, I would have progs such as TMPGenc DVD Author and muxman discussed.

My post today about a Superior Transcoders Forum was mostly tongue in cheek, but IF we have a Nero Recode forum, why not lump in other transcoders as well - not just DVD95Copy but other commerical progs (e.g. Instant Copy). There are lots of users of these progs and it would seem a natural extension of what is very popular here, that being DVD Shrink. The trick is getting people to come here to post. They do it for DVD Shrink, because this is the "official DVD Shrink forum". Would they do it for the others? I suspect not - witness the relative scarcity of postings in the Recode forum.

Regards