video editing

[diman2]

I have video from a digital video camera and several different editing programs and i'm trying to find a program that will break the video down frame by frame so i can add text to a moving object within the video so as to make it look as though it is on the object. does anyone know of such a program? thanks

[xviddivxoggmp3]

adobie afteraffects

adobie after affects
i have not had experiences with this program but i hear it can do what you are looking for i also heard there is a new plugin for bryce 6, but still unconfirmed due to my hatred for pay programs
open source rules.

[benedict]

VirtualDub will render individual frames to the clipboard, but if you have more than a few frames to do this to, that would probably be too much work.

Someone mentioned one of the other popular programs here would do this for a range of frames, but I don't remember who or what the program was because I've never had a reason to do that. Hopefully, someone can fill that in for you.

By the way, once you've got your new frames done, VirtualDub can put it all back together for you in a snap.

[Apnoea]

Do you mean that VDub can take a sequence of stills and animate them?
How do you get it to do that?
Apnoea

[benedict]

Yeah, I kind of fell into that one by accident. I went to open a video clip I was cleaning up and in that same folder were a bunch of BMPs that showed up on the list of usable files. It was a title sequence I was working on for that clip, and the files were called title000, title001, title002,... and so on. On a lark, I selected title000 just to see what would happen, and sure enough, up it came.
But here's the deal. Not only did it come up, but VirtualDub automatically sucked in all of the sequentially numbered BMPs with it. One click and my title sequence was done!

Now, I don't think VDub will let you do that in combo with the "Append AVI" command (File Menu), but who cares? Once you have your animated sequence of BMPs saved as an AVI file, just open your clip that precedes your animation, append your animation, append your clip that follows your animation and "Save as AVI". You're all done! Pretty cool, huh!

Of course, you'll have to match frame sizes and rates and the like (as always), but after VDub just did all that for you, the rest is minor detail by comparison.

[johnbmx4christ]

.to the original poster...this is very simple in adobe premier using the titler within premier and the motion filter with keyframes.

[Apnoea]

Benedict...

All this time I've been using Videomach. It certainly isn't videodub and doesn't really have anything like the same amount of control, but I does let you join togther video of any size, format etc etc. Where I can't join something in VDub, Videomach's my backup plan.

Will have t oplay with that... se what it does...
You haven't managed to get it to output a series of still image files have you?
Cheer-
Apnoea

[benedict]

Nope. VDub only renders a single frame, and even at that you have to convert the clipboard contents to a real file.

Check this post out however. Per setarip, TMPGEnc will do this sort of "range rendering" of frames. I haven't yet used this program, so I can't really confirm.

The only problem I see with that is that he says it renders to JPG (only?), which of course is a compressed format, and so you'd have to be careful about not screwing up quality on those frames. As I said, I haven't used TMPGEnc, so I don't know if that program allows the user to set the JPG compression ratio. If it does, absolutely set it to 100%.

Also, whether it does or not, before you edit any JPG (or GIF, for that matter), if you care about the quality of the final product, always be sure to convert the image to BMP as the first step in your editing.

[johnbmx4christ]

.bmp is really like 1 step up from a jpeg..technically you are supposed to work with .tiff its the equivalent to "lossless" compression in video..you can mess with it all you want and then make your jpeg from the tiff.

[diman2]

so far i have acomplished this with vdub and i'm trying with after effects vdub did everything fine converted every frame to .bmp and then i could edit them in a photo program and then it converted the .bmp back to avi for my video edit and was very simple to do my compliments to the chef of vdub i've been trying to do this for a long time

[xviddivxoggmp3]

video editing for noobee

since it is obvious i know nothing about editing.
what is everyone's personal favorite program to do editing
i want to be able to black screen everything but my choosen animation. e.g. from a music video black screen everything accept jim morrison singing. I also was wondering if there is a way to interlace video ontop of each other. similar to the what is being talked about above. I'm wondering were a web site would be that shows the capability of altering video. again like i mentioned before in this thread everything i know about editing is rumors and no real practice. what i'm getting from this is that you have to have a program to alter uncompressed .tiff and then inter it into the .avi frame by frame. does this mean you can do it with mspaint and vdub if wanting to do a generic no money down trial? if that is the case how do you take .vob and turn it into one frame of uncompressed .tiff? is there a way to have it alter multiple frames at once or do you have to alter the video frame by frame? I think that would take years to black screen one video of 5 minutes. if you can extract a frame into .jpeg how do you do it into tiff?

[Apnoea]

A lot of people seem to use adobe something-or-other...
I received ulead videostudio free with my graphics card- It's pretty comprehensive (i think) but i never sat down and used it. It seems to be able to do everything from fade-in/out, switch between scenes by 'cross-fading' (audio term- don't know the video term... maybe blending) text etc.
Neither are cheap...
Videomach has a 30-day free trial but has far fewer features...

You don't have to reduce video to individual frames as tiff files to edit video. Technically you could take mspaint and VDub and make yourself video... Depending on what you want to do, it probably wouldn't look any good and would take you until Elvis returns.

e.g. from a music video black screen everything accept jim morrison singing

Not sure what you mean by that...
Do you mean being able to blank out all but the part of the image of jim? As though he's singing in a black room?
If so, that's tricky... I don't know how to do that without editing individual frames.
I did a BSc on medical imaging science a few years ago which included something similar when you image the liver with CT or MRI. It deforms when you breathe and when your heart beats so they wanted to find a general algorithm which would delineate the liver whatever shape it was and wherever they looked at it from. I think Jim might be analogous to contiguous slices of liver, changing shape on-stage...
Anyway- It's not easy to get it right even with a nice smooth liver, let alone a wrinkled old rocker!

I also was wondering if there is a way to interlace video ontop of each other

Do you mean blending 2 different bits of video together? Or stacking on ontop of another?

vob->jpg
Pass.
Short of vob->avi->many JPGs->many TIFFs, I don't know.

jpg->tiff
Paintshoppro or photoshop can do it en mass but I'm sure there are perfectly good free alternatives about.

Apnoea

[xviddivxoggmp3]

correct

i was looking to outline him without anything there has to be a way to do it without addressing each individual frame. concidering it would be 29.97 fps that could take years to do 15 min song is about 26,973 frames. there has to be an easier way. does any editer like adobie have the capabilities of smart frame drop? if the frame is bit for bit identical drop the sequential frames that are not needed. or a capability to detect a changing perameter of pre-designated floating pixels for capture and inputs blank/black pixels for remainder of frame.

[onerose]

to the oringinal question, adobe /ulead programs like this all work since u are comming from your camra you can add 2 the timeline. these programs are professional grade so they work very well and are easyer than vdub or any mpeg or avi tool because that are what they are made for!!!!!