Say No To George War Bush!!!!

[alwaysblue]

Everybody here make good points and really see the true light of the situation, tell me........when will the Bush admin. realize that they are the ones seen as evil now???

[SKD_Tech]

To be honest with you I don't think Bush knows how he is making himself look to the United Nations. He wants more contries to agree with him but then he goes out and says that he might not wait for UN agreement.

[cyanrain]

Just to be clear, I posted the article "What the World Would like the President to Say" to reveal the absolute absurdity of the world majority's positions!

The Bush Administration has stated to the world and the U.S., multiple times, that authority over the oil will be given to the Iraqi people. The Bush Administration is well aware that the long-term cost of war with Saddam's regime and developing the nation of Iraq afterward far surpasses the value of the oil resources available there. France and Germany are seen as the peaceful, greedless ones while they continue to get oil wholesale by their position. Yet, the "no blood for oil" chants continue.

The concept that the Iraqi people don't want to be helped neglects the sickening nature of Saddam's rule. It is commonplace for Saddam's regime to cut out the tongue of someone speaking against the will of Saddam, often using one of their "professional rapists" who's only goal is to dishonor the associated family by raping the man's wife (in the Muslim society there, a family with a raped wife is greatly dishonored). A dossier was released months ago by the United Kingdom with more detailed information about the brutality of Saddam's regime: As we approach war with Saddam's regime, I recommend reading it: http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-file...ierenglish.pdf

If Saddam is not responded to appropriately, not only will Saddam lash out again, but the respect of other military-oriented enemies of the U.S. will be diminished, increasing the likelihood of more war in the long run. If U.N. resolutions go unenforced indefinitely, no amount of diplomacy will be able to repair the real damage.

[Batman]

Saddam was a US buddy, until he invaded another dictatorship (Kuwait)....then he became an enemy. I have no pitty for Saddam, he is a brutal dictator. But most of the world simply does not take what the US says at face value. I somehow doubt that the US, after allowing Saddam to continue his terror unabated, has just now figured out that the people of Iraq must be liberated. There is an ulterior motive, and that is oil.

[cyanrain]

So You Say It's About Oil?

The Bush administration, in preparation for the possible ouster of Saddam Hussein and any aftereffects that may entail, is soliciting bids for reconstruction and improvement projects in Iraq.

"Sure," you say, "they're looking for companies to rebuild the oil production capacity after the war."

Wrong.

The huge contracts, worth almost a billion dollars initially, are for roads, bridges, schools, hospitals and even mosques that might be damaged.

The U.S. is also soliciting emergency bids from some of the nation's biggest construction giants so that we can move fast and show the Iraqi people that we are serious about helping.

The U.S. Agency for International Development is also seeking bids to repair other things that might be damaged in war, or that may simply be dilapidated or outdated, such as airports, the electrical grid, printing operations and the like.

Some of the large companies that will be bidding are Louis Berger Group, Bechtel Group, the Fluor Corporation, and yes, for all you conspiracy theorists out there, a subsidiary of Halliburton - Kellogg, Brown & Root - is developing plans to fight oil well fires in case Saddam lights up the Middle East by blowing up his wells.

Incidentally, the plans are being developed under an existing contract with the government because that is what KB&R does, not because Dick Cheney was the CEO, so let's calm down out there.

So it seems that, contrary to the main argument of appeasement activists, the only thing Iraqi oil will be used for is to build Iraq itself.

[onynx]

Firs of all, id like to appologise for badmouthing the jewish people, that was not my intention.

its going to take alot of convincing to make me believe that the US want to rebuild Iraq... if they want that.. they would have stopped the embargo a long time ago...

[admin]

It will be hard to rebuild Iraq when people in the region are constantly trying to kill you. There are ethnic conflicts in Iraq, add to that Islamic fundamentalism and self-interest, and you've got quite a handful.

Just look at Afghanistan - didn't the US promise to rebuilt it as well? It's now ruled by warlords and terrorists, all fighting each other for their own self interests.

From what I can understand, the world's position is that in this situation, war is not worth the trouble that it will bring to an already troubled region. Keep up the pressure, keep up the UN inspections, and anyone can see Iraq won't be a threat to anybody. If there is going to be a war, then it should be led by Arab countries, since it is their region, and not the US's (at least not yet ), afterall.

And make it clear that Gulf War II has nothing to do with the war on terrorism, since the plans for war in Iraq have been circulating around Washington since the mid 90's. All the countries that oppose war in Iraq are wholeheartedly in support of the war on terror, so you can't really say that they are cowards or simply don't want to fight.

I don't think any country is arguing against war simply because war is bad and peace is good, just that it is the wrong place and the wrong time for a war.

[alwaysblue]

I'm just curious cyanrain, you seem to be quoting everything that comes out of Bush's or the gov't's mouth, are you that naive to believe every word they say as if it were part of the bible? Let's get serious man.............the rest of the world is preaching something completely different!!!! Saddam is pathetic I agree but Bush and his gov't are equally pathetic!!! Is Bush on a cocaine rush or what????? The U.S. has made the same mistakes throughout history of sticking their noses into other countries and their politics, often replacing the exsisting gov't with one that turns out to be equally as bad or worse!!!

[setarip]

Based on all of the postings from Montreal, it appears that the Quebecois continue to be closely related to the French -whose country the Americans repatriated FOR them in World War II, while "brave" Chuck DeGaulle cowered in exile ;>}

I guess none of you highly opinionated folks has ever heard of the Marshall Plan, which resurrected a devastated Europe, or of General Douglas Mac Arthur, who hepled create the Japanese infastructure that continues to thrive today.


The psychological term (NOT a profanity) that comes to mind is "penis envy"...


Let'r rip kids...

[gd_nimrod]

Speaking of old times French vs English around the area of New England, do you remember how the fur trade boosted america's economy right before the confederation so that they became a powerful country?

[alwaysblue]

setarip: first off I'm not French, secondly I consider myself Canadian with my roots belonging to Italy. Thirdly, please speed up to the present if you can......it is exactly this type of ignorance out of certain americans and especially the U.S. admin. which creates hatred upon yourselves..........you want to shoot off your mouth?????.........tell me who's brilliant idea was it to stick Israel in a part of the world totally populated with Arabs???

[admin]

Just saw a US news report where it explained the US Administration's tactics of transferring the hate towards OBL towards Saddam, and how the US media picked this right up. A poll was conducted where by around 70% of US citizens believed that Iraq had links to Al-Qaida and around the same number believed that Iraq was responsible for 9-11.

None of the above are true, and the rest of world, not influenced by the US media, can see this very clearly. It seems that the people in the US are very mis-informed when it comes to these matters. It is no wonder then that the support the world gave the US after 9-11 has dissipated so quickly.

Another poll I heard about was that around 80% in the US believed that the 9-11 hijackers contained many Iraqis, even though none of the hijackers were from Iraq (many, if not most, were from Saudi Arabia, which has also been linked to the Bali bombings that have affected my fellow Australians). If we should be going to war with anybody, it should be Saudi Arabia, which have been sympathetic to OBL for years - but since they allow US military bases, and free access to their oil, they are considered on of the US's best allies in the region.

As for the anti-French bashing I've been hearing (would you like "Freedom Fries" with that order?), I think it's totally unacceptable. More than 2 million Frenchmen died in WWI and hundreds of thousands died in WWII, so no one can accuse them of being afraid to fight (although whether they are good at fighting is another matter). If it wasn't for the French, there would be no United States today, since they provided much needed help during the US War of Independence.

And remember, it's not just the French that oppose the war. The Russians, Chinese, Germans (and many other) government also oppose the war. Even with government that support the war, they are most likely doing it against the wishes of their people (Australia, Britain, Spain, Portugal), which in my opinion is not very democratic at all. I think the majority of people around the world are opposed to this war, and so if the US is to be the kind of super or hyper power that the rest of the world can respect, it must not act unilaterally, or it will be no different to a rogue state.

[gd_nimrod]

Originally posted by admin
Just saw a US news report where it explained the US Administration's tactics of transferring the hate towards OBL towards Saddam, and how the US media picked this right up. A poll was conducted where by around 70% of US citizens believed that Iraq had links to Al-Qaida and around the same number believed that Iraq was responsible for 9-11.

Just shows how self-centered some americans are.

[alwaysblue]

Hey admin, you make a good point, since most of the hijackers from 9-11 were from Saudi Arabia and considering that Bin Laden himself is a Saudi then the U.S. should be targeting Saudi Arabia......but oops.....how stupid of me....you're right.......the Saudi's share their oil with the U.S. and allow them a military base which is one of the main problems to this whole matter, many Saudi's hate having the U.S. military stationed there.....hey what right do they have........IT'S ONLY THEIR HOME!!!!!

[silmarillion]

I think the ultimate hypocrisy is that the Reagan administration (most of which has been reincarnated in this administration) is responsible for keeping Saddam in power during the 80's. When Saddam attacked Iran and was he was overpowered and losing, but lucky us, the Reagan administration stepped in and supplied Iraq with weapons. Now the same group of idiots is asking us to trust their judge of character.