Ufc

[Furiousg]

I was also disappointed with Ortiz when he fought Griffin. The first round was old school Tito but he couldn't finish, then the scond and third rounds couldn't even take Griffin down. I don't mean to offend anyone if they are a fan, but I take Forrest Griffin to be a chump. He hasn't ever impressed me in any of his fights. He looks slow, lethargic and sloppy when he throws a punch. He would have fit in well with the crowd 10 years ago. Tito should have been able to stop that fight. Maybe he is past his prime as well??

Frank Shamrock looked like a machine back in the day. He looked to me like a miniature, younger, faster, smarter Ken. He was super explosive. I believe he was a middleweight, and oddly enough he is the only Shamrock to beat Ortiz.....by knockout if I remember correctly.

[Derree]

Forrest is just so tough tho...and strong....he doesn't look it but he is one of the best, Tito may be close to the end of his time in the fight world but I think it is a testement of Griffins abilties that he lasted...I think he should have won the fight..and I just watched that fight (Frank Shamrock Vs Ortiz) I think Ortiz tapped....

[Furiousg]

I do agree that Forrest should have won the Ortiz fight. He controlled the last two rounds completely. I think it is just that he isn't a flashy fighter.....like all the greats right now have their one thing that they are so dominant at and are also strong at all other aspects of the fight. Arlovski has devastating power and quickness, Sylvia a superb striker, Hughes insane strength and wrestling, Liddell's ridiculous hand speed and knockout power. It just seems that Griffin is ok at most things and doesn't stand out to me...other than his "brick where his head should be" ability to take a punch.

As for Frank and Ortiz, did Ortiz tap due to strikes??....or was it a submission?? I can't recall cleanly, but I seem to remember a "submission due to strikes" type finish. Was so long ago though, and my brain is all fuzzy from Oilers-hockey-high

[locoeng]

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Guild/5750/S/fshamrock.html

[Furiousg]

Ahhh thanks Loco. Thats what I thought I remembered
By the looks of those cards, he isn't as dominant as the UFC makes him out to be....quite a few losses in there

[locoeng]

You are very welcome....I searched for hours for a little footage of the Oritz/F. Shamrock fight but came up nil. That list is a bit dated too, I found a better one later.

There have been alot of great fighters out there that you don't really think about. Bas Rutten, Mark Kerr, Mark Hunt...the list goes on.

This list is current and lists just about every fight..

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=284

[floresdave]

Yeah he wasn't perfect by any means, But He seemed impressive in his last fight and avenged his loss To John Lober in Superbrawl in the UFC. The Bas Rutten fight could have went his way if not for some rope grabbing.
Okay to current news anyone see the flying Knee last night, beautiful win by Michael Bisping. And he predicted it before the fight. Can't wait for Finale.

[locoeng]

Nah I missed the flying knee....it reruns on Thursday night doesn't it?

EDIT: I think I might have missed an episode, is Matt the deaf fella still in it?

[floresdave]

I don't think he is still in it. The guy with blue hair is fighting the winner of last nights fight for light heavyweight division and The red headed dude is fighting against the tall lanky kid that beat that guy who thought he had a broken rib so he gave up for middleweights. Sorry i am bad at names.

[MikeyBK]

I haven't followed it much this season, gonna have to find when it airs next. How close to the final bouts?

[floresdave]

This is it. Final Four guys are fighting June 24 for the six figured contract along with a couple other fights and then july 8th we find out who the real winner this season is ........

[MikeyBK]

Thanks Dave, I'll remember to watch the final matches>

[Furiousg]

The deaf guy was Matt Hamill. He won his qualifying fight ( sloppy fight IMHO ) but was too injured to continue ( arm injury I believe ).
Ross Pointon came back as a Light Heavy to fill Hamills spot ( Pointon lost to Kendall Grove earlier ) So Bisping demolished Pointon, and will fight Josh Haynes ( blue haired guy )

And Kendall Grove will fight Ed Herman ( Lanky vs Redhead )
I think Bisping is going to roll through Haynes pretty easily....but I don't know what to say for the MiddleWeights, I think I pick Grove.

On this Saturday night Headlined by Sam Stout and Kenny Florian

[Derree]

I felt bad For Hamill when he came back becaue he did not know that he would not be fighting again..he thought he was in the finals...to find out like that..gotta suck..

[Furiousg]

I agree. After going through that, and then to be bumped out.
He'll have a comeback fight soon enough. I think he was a popular enough fighter on the show, and Ortiz was thoroughly impressed by him, so I see Hamill getting a few fights in. Possibly on an Ultimate Fight Night.

Speaking of Fight Nights.....Bonnar and Rashad Evans!!!!!!