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  • Brianworf
    Junior Member
    Junior Member
    • Aug 2002
    • 8

    #31
    to ADMIN and DAvenger:

    ADMIN>

    1. The version of RADLIGHT I downloaded was the most current one from download.com. I don't know which version is or is not bad, and it shouldn't matter. Criminally harmful code should NEVER be tolerated. When I contacted RADLIGHT in a nice email requesting thier assistance, they sent the email response I already posted, showing me that they were defensive and arrogant, full well intent on causing the damage they had done and then denying it.

    2. TRUE, I can understand your point of wanting more evidence that RADLIGHT does more than kill ad-aware. Thats why I posted all the links to other peoples reports on the issues with RADLIGHT. Did you even bother looking at any of them?

    3. I did not intend to imply that DAvenger was in anyway associated with a terrorist group or the Russian Mafia. Just his actions and the actions of RADLIGHT to deseminate harmful software are ILLEGAL by US Laws. RIAA will most certainly run into the legal issue if they push what they want to do, as well. People have the right to have their computers, software and OS left alone, whether it is Microsoft, RIAA or RADLIGHT inflicting the damage.

    4. I do not LIKE adware, but I understand like banner ads that some form of compensation for free-loader software is needed. As I said, I will gladly purchase full-versions of software I like. I do not like software which only allows me to use it if I don't have other software. I don't buy a car that will only allow me to get gas from Exxon (not that one is MADE...)

    5. I sincerely appologize for violating the rules of your forum and spamming. I was wrong, but at the time I was very pissed at RADLIGHT and thier denial of any wrongdoing, and thier bad-mannered emails.

    6. I was NEVER intending that YOU (digital-digest.com) were CENSORING posts, I was referring to RADLIGHT, who does/did.

    DAvanger>>>>>>
    1. I do understand your anger at having your revenue stream interupted by ad-aware uninstalling it, BUT you could have done a much more acceptable method. I.E. Limewire WON'T work if you remove the ad-ware that comes bundled. I don't remove it with ad-aware, I let limewire earn their money. I probably wouldn't have removed your ad-ware either, if it wasn't too annoying and I liked the program.
    2. My system is VERY clean and has no viruses whatsoever. All the troubles began when I not just installed RADLIGHT, but when I first opened the player. I, too, do not know why the program would delete EXE files en masse, but it did. EVERY single one that was not currently in use. Maybe this was a glitch in your attack on ad-aware in the way you searched thru drives and paths for any part of ad-aware.
    3. I am also still waiting as to what, other than critisizing RADLIGHT I did in violation of your forum rules??
    4. If I did indeed violate some rule, I will appologize, but a blanket appology for something I didn't do won't happen.
    MAYBE download.com had an old version, or someone had tampered with and uploaded a destructive version, BUT I got screwed by the RADLIGHT that I installed, and then was insulted and attacked when I requested assistance. Look at the emails. YOU were the first to become insultive.
    5. I would REALLY love it if RADLIGHT would work for me. I do not like the current players I have, as none of them can play every format, But I won't use RADLIGHT if it damages my system. To be fair, I will download DIRECT from RADLIGHT, if I get 100% assurance from you, DAvenger than it will not erase ad-aware, nor any other program. I am even willing to try and help you learn what happened, by taking a snapshot of my registry before and after install, and/or any other thing you think would be helpful.

    I think DAvenger might have a good product, if he can get over his hatred of ad-aware. There are lots of other ways to make revenue. Make it a download trial version that will only work 90 days or something. Put a date stamp in the registry to keep people from uninstalling/reinstalling when the free trial runs out....
    just a thought.

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    • UncasMS
      Super Moderator
      • Nov 2001
      • 9047

      #32
      slightly offtopic but i must point out there is no such thing as:

      East Germany

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      • DAvenger
        Member
        Member
        • Nov 2001
        • 69

        #33
        1. See RadLight SE, it doesn't work without the ad client installed

        2. Let's say you've downloaded the old adaware removing version. It works like this: we look for installation location in registry (this value is put there by adaware installer so it is 100% correct), then we load adaware's uninstall log file and remove all files just like its uninstaller would do, safe, fast, no harm. Other thing is that this version was online only for 5 days and it is not available since then.

        3. Read the rules and you will know. Basically, saying RADLIGHT IS TROJAN HORSE, DANGEROUS DO NOT DOWNLOAD is a violation of those rules.

        4. I didn't insult you first. You were the one posting lies about RadLight on our forum. After that you sent "nice" email.

        5. Sure, it's clean. You can see that we have the highest level of disclosure on the market. The sad thing is that Lavasoft team doesn't respond to my and WhenU's emails in which we are ask them to remove our ad client from their reference list as it does not spy on users. We put in risk our whole company and a good name to make them change their minds. I feel really sad that so many people eat their propaganda ...

        Visit http://www.radlight.net/helpware.htm and you will see we have nothiing to hide. Link to this document is present on almost every page @ radlight.net
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        • admin
          Administrator
          • Nov 2001
          • 8951

          #34
          slightly offtopic but i must point out there is no such thing as East Germany
          That's right, East Germany does not exist anymore (just like Czeckoslovakia doesn't exist anymore) - of course, it *was* formally known as German Democratic Republic (GDR), or East Germany in the Soviet era.

          What I probably *should* have said was :

          Czeckoslovakia was more similar to East Germany (GDR), than to say the Ukraine or the Central Asian republics which were part of the USSR.
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          • UncasMS
            Super Moderator
            • Nov 2001
            • 9047

            #35
            didnt mean to split hairs but some folks might consider it the truth what they come across here

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            • Brianworf
              Junior Member
              Junior Member
              • Aug 2002
              • 8

              #36
              Response to DAvenger

              In response to your issues:

              1. OK cool.

              2. I downloaded RADLIGHT installation file for RADLIGHT 3.03 V5.2 from download.com 3 days ago. It de-installed Ad-aware, and deleted limewire, bearshare, winamp, win media player, win office 95; microsoft wordpad, cardfile, ms paint; painshop pro 3.1 and 6.0; Aim, Trillian, and many others too numerous to mention. The one thing of interest is paint shop pro 3.1 has a separate browser program (the reason I still have it around, along with 6.0) I had the browser program open and running but not the PSP program. PSP.exe was deleted but not PSPBRWSE.exe
              UNLESS the 5 days just ended, that version WAS available when I downloaded it, and it looks like the version popped up around April 2002. It is STILL available right now.

              3. I NEVER posted in your forum that RADLIGHT WAS A TROJAN HORSE. ONLY after I posted that in THIS forum, did you ban me. I only posted a WARNING to be careful of a possible bug in the current RADLIGHT that appeared to mess up files. I read your rules from top to bottom, and nothing I did on your forum was in any violation. Perhaps YOU should read them. Maybe then you will see your very forum violates its own rules against OBSCENE language. I type in AD AWARE and it posts "shit" That seems like it would fit the category of obscene language.

              4. Be honest here. I sent the email WAY before posting anything other than the question in the "RADLIGHT CORRUPTED MY COMPUTER" thread, where I posted I would like to remove newdotnet but couldn't. YOU insulted me first and you know it.

              5. As I mentioned, I really don't MIND the ad ware software. I do not like "spyware" and definately hate "malware". THAT is what made me so mad, not the ad software, but the backdoor erasing my ad aware software. I clicked ACCEPT to the ad software, as I figured if the program is good, I don't mind helping you earn some income while I try it out, and if I REALLY LIKED it I would buy a registered copy.

              I am sorry you feel so defensive about this, but I am TOO. when ANYBODY.... be it you, Microsoft, lavasoft, whoever... SCREWS up my machine I get pissed!! Especially when nothing but blanket denials and insults were the response to my initial contact saying I had a problem with the product. NOBODY likes to be critisized, but you are truly judged by your RESPONSE to critisizm. If your email back had first said, "gee, I am sorry to hear about that, we have code in our installer to look for and remove ad-aware because it removes our ad ware program and hurts our revenue stream, bUT it shouldn't have done that, tell me more about what happened..." WE WOULDN'T BE IN THIS FORUM!!! I would have replied that "WOW!! thats not really nice to do, BUT I understand you gotta make money. Maybe you should have an OK button to click to indicate to people that this will uninstall Ad-aware. BUT it did uninstall this and this...... but not this..."

              SEE even a KLINGON can be rational at times!!!!!!

              Seriously, PLEASE check the version that is currently on download.com and see if somehow an errant ad-aware deleting version is still lurking out there.

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              • Fluffy
                Junior Member
                Junior Member
                • Nov 2001
                • 44

                #37
                brian. i do not like radlights methods as much as most people. but give it a break. liying about how many programs it uninstalls makes you just as bad as they are. if it uninstalled microsoft office, dont you think microsoft would have unleashed their army of lawyers on them by now? the word is out it is a bad program and this is a rather dead thread. people know what it does now, and they can choose to use it or not. I for one, am not going to use it. and anyone who doesnt read reviews before downloading software... well, its their own fault. theres no point beating a dead horse. and i dont intend to untill i can code a media player beter then theirs. (probably in a different lifetime)
                Helicopters do not fly. They beat the sky into submission.
                -Aaden Satpulov

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                • admin
                  Administrator
                  • Nov 2001
                  • 8951

                  #38
                  if it uninstalled microsoft office, dont you think microsoft would have unleashed their army of lawyers on them by now?
                  Damn ... how could I have forgotten about the M$ lawyers, considering how many cease-and-desist emails I have received from them in the past.

                  All I did once was to make available a re-packaged WM8 playback codec (it was only available as an download upgrade through WMP), and then the C&D emails started, not just to me, but to my web host - my web hosting account was almost cancelled.

                  Never mess with M$ ...
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                  • Brianworf
                    Junior Member
                    Junior Member
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 8

                    #39
                    FLUFFY, Et Al....

                    Fluffy, et al....

                    Just how the HELL do you THINK YOU know exactly what RADLIGHT did or did not do to my system? Were you there with me?? NO! SO DO NOT CALL me a liar, unless you have SOLID PROOF!! FACT is RADLIGHT deleted every damn exe file that was not in use. PERIOD. I don't intend to keep beating this dead horse, but I will defend myself when I am constantly called a LIAR by people who have no idea about the subject.

                    I am sure M$ has bigger fish to fry than RADLIGHT, they probably even LIKE the idea that it uninstalls ad aware, as M$ probably makes $$$ off of the ad software!

                    As for me, I have made my point. This subject is CLOSED now.
                    Goodbye.

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                    • DAvenger
                      Member
                      Member
                      • Nov 2001
                      • 69

                      #40
                      I already told you that the uninstall routine is in fact THE SAME uninstaller as provided with AdAware. There is no way how could it remove some other files. I am not so dumb to simply delete folder with "AdAware" in it's name .... obviously AdAware does this. Try to make a text file and name it "WhenU.txt" or "SaveNow.txt" and you will have so many spyware on your PC out of blue

                      I do not know what happened to your PC but I told you we are not to blame for this. Sorry.
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                      • Thunderbird
                        Junior Member
                        Junior Member
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 7

                        #41
                        I downloaded Radlight, but after I had read what was said about it I did not install it
                        but immediately put it in my shit file and deleted it using Wipedel, which should have
                        got rid of all traces of it.

                        Just to make sure, I ran Ad Aware. But although Ad Aware had always worked
                        before, it froze up and locked the computer, requiring a reset. I did this again with the
                        same result, including having to run Scandisk. So I downloaded and installed the
                        latest version of Ad Aware from CNet. This locked up the computer even faster than
                        the old version.

                        Is it possible that Radlight has infected the computer WITHOUT being installed?

                        Is it possible that some other code connected with Radlight was downloaded
                        surreptitiously OUTSIDE the file?

                        If so, then Radlight and the parties responsible for generating the code have
                        committed a criminal offence in this country. The Courts of this country have the
                        jurisdiction to try the matter and enforce their judgement by virtue of international
                        treaty obligations against the parties, even if they be foreigners.

                        I would welcome expert opinions as to whether such is possible or any evidence that
                        it has happened.

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                        • DAvenger
                          Member
                          Member
                          • Nov 2001
                          • 69

                          #42


                          You know, today it is a bad weather out there. I know RadLight is responsible for it. It is also responsible for the floods and starvation and even for the high unemployment. Get real people.

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                          • DAvenger
                            Member
                            Member
                            • Nov 2001
                            • 69

                            #43
                            hahahahehaehaha man, I could not stop laughing for 15 minutes or so
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                            • Thunderbird
                              Junior Member
                              Junior Member
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 7

                              #44
                              TO: DAvenger

                              1. What is the full registered address of Radlight Inc?

                              2. Who are the Directors thereof and their full names and addresses?

                              3. As the Chief Executive Officer of the said company, what is your real full name
                              and address?

                              4. Who are the company’s bankers, their full name and address, and the name of your
                              account executive?

                              5. Who are your legal representatives, their full name and address, and the name of
                              the legal representative that represents your company?

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                              • DAvenger
                                Member
                                Member
                                • Nov 2001
                                • 69

                                #45
                                1. RadLight, Inc. Comrade Lenin street 69, Leningrad, Soviet Union

                                2. Vladimir Ilich Lenin, Kokotova 98, Leningrad, Soviet Union, Joseph Stalin, Chujova 46, Leningrad, Soviet Union

                                3. Vladimir Meciar, Vila Elektra, Trencianske Teplice, Soviet Union

                                4. Sergej Kozlik, Tomasikova 75, Leningrad, Soviet Union

                                5. Ivan Lexa, Tomasikova 62, Leningrad, Soviet Union
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