Verbatim DVD+R: Any Good?

[GooGoo]

I used to use "Ritek" GO4 and never had a problem with them. Now they're no longer sold. I then went with "Taiyo Yuden" DVD-R (TYG02) discs (code: 1736) but they are giving me mostly bad burns (I own a SONY DRU-710A Burner). I think I read somewhere that "Verbatims" are considered to be among the best. I primarily shop at RIMA and found some verbatim discs there. Are these particular discs any good?

http://www.rima.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=R&Product_Code=1798&Category_Code=DVPVB

Verbatim DVD+R 4.7 GB, 8X, $0.38 ea., 50-Pack

• Capacity: 4.7GB
• Speed: 8X
• Surface: Shiny Silver
• Verbatim Part# : 95052
• Metal Azo recording dye optimizes read/write performance
• Compatible with 8X DVD+R drives from Sony, Dell, HP, Compaq and others
• Read compatible with most DVD-ROM drives and DVD video players
• Superior Archival Life
• 50 pcs/pack

[photo_angel2004]

Those are good media,
What speed are you burning at?
Can you post a nero log on a "bad burn"? there may be other issues to cause a bad burn.


As for a good price on the verbatim's if you have a Sam's club near you they carry them $25.00 for a spool of 100.

[GooGoo]

Those are good media,
What speed are you burning at?
Can you post a nero log on a "bad burn"? there may be other issues to cause a bad burn.

I always burn at 4x. I will never go higher than that. The DVDs burn fine. I have trouble with the playback. They skip or freeze throughout the disc. It seems that out of a pack of 100 TYG02 DVDs, 50% will have the freezin/skipping problem. I don't know if it's a bad batch or what. Below is my Nero log. The finished disc had skipping problems. I then burned another disc using the same file and it works fine. Strange.

Oh, I intentionally downgraded my DVD burner firmware. I originally had BYX5. But I went back to the BYX4. I seemed to have had some success after I downgraded to an older firmware.




Windows 2000 5.0
IA32
WinAspi: -
ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Nero\Nero 7\Core\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.74, size=164112 bytes, created 11/2/2004 12:54:32 PM

NT-SPTI used
Nero Version: 7.0.1.4
Internal Version: 7, 0, 1, 4

Recorder: <sony dvd="" rw="" dru-710a=""> Version: BYX4 - HA 1 TA 0 - 7.0.1.4
Adapter driver: <ide> HA 1
Drive buffer : 2048kB
Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ?
CD-ROM: <sony dvd="" rw="" dru-710a="">Version: BYX4 - HA 1 TA 0 - 7.0.1.4
Adapter driver: <ide> HA 1

=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
DiskPeripheral : IC35L080AVVA07-0 atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : SONY DVD RW DRU-710A atapi Port 1 ID 0 DMA: On

=== CDRom-Device-Map ===
SONY DVD RW DRU-710A D: CDRom0
=======================

AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs:
WriteBufferSize: 83886080 (0) Byte
ShowDrvBufStat : 0
BUFE : 0
Physical memory : 1023MB (1048048kB)
Free physical memory: 667MB (683904kB)
Memory in use : 34 %
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Inquiry : 1
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0)

24.2.2006
UDF/ISO compilation
3:30:45 PM #1 Phase 112 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1725
DVD-Video files reallocation started

3:30:45 PM #2 Phase 114 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1725
DVD-Video files reallocation completed (no file modified)

3:30:45 PM #3 Text 0 File Isodoc.cpp, Line 6411
UDF document burn settings
------------------------------------------
Determine maximum speed : FALSE
Simulate : FALSE
Write : TRUE
Finalize CD : TRUE
Multisession : FALSE
Burning mode : DAO
Mode : 1
UDF Mode : UDF/ISO bridge
UDF Revision : 1.02
UDF Partition Type : physical
ISO Level : 1 (Max. of 11 = 8 + 3 char)
Character set : ISO 9660
Joliet :FALSE
Allow pathdepth more than 8 directories : FALSE
Allow more than 255 characters in path : FALSE
Write ISO9660 ;1 file extensions : TRUE

3:30:45 PM #4 Phase 111 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1725
DVD-Video files sorted

3:30:45 PM #5 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 525
ReadBuffer-Pipe got 81920KB of Memory

3:30:45 PM #6 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 124
Reader running

3:30:45 PM #7 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 113
Writer D: SONY DVD RW DRU-710A running

3:30:45 PM #8 ISO9660GEN -11 File Geniso.cpp, Line 3312
First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

3:30:45 PM #9 ISO9660GEN -11 File Geniso.cpp, Line 3312
First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

3:30:45 PM #10 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3342
Turn on Disc-At-Once, using DVD media

3:30:45 PM #11 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 279
Last possible write address on media: 2298495 (510:46.45, 4489MB)
Last address to be written: 2253343 (500:44.43, 4401MB)

3:30:45 PM #12 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 291
Write in overburning mode: NO (enabled: CD)

3:30:45 PM #13 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2578
Recorder: SONY DVD RW DRU-710A, Media type: DVD-R
Disc Manufacturer: TYG02 -
Disc Application Code: 64, Disc Physical Code: 193

3:30:45 PM #14 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 458
>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
=========================================

3:30:45 PM #15 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 847
Setup items (after recorder preparation)
0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 ()
2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
original disc pos #0 + 2253344 (2253344) = #2253344/500:44.44
relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/ required, no patch infos
-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2253344 blocks [D: SONY DVD RW DRU-710A]
--------------------------------------------------------------

3:30:45 PM #16 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1059
Prepare recorder [D: SONY DVD RW DRU-710A] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
DAO infos:
==========
MCN: ""
TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
Tracks 1 to 1:
1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 4614848512, ISRC ""
DAO layout:
===========
__Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_CtrlAdr_|_RecDep_______ ___
0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x41 | 0x00
0 | 1 | 0 | 0x41 | 0x00
0 | 1 | 1 | 0x41 | 0x00
2253344 | lead-out | 1 | 0x41 | 0x00

3:30:45 PM #17 Text 0 File SCSIPassThrough.cpp, Line 36
SPTILockVolume - completed successfully for FCTL_LOCK_VOLUME

3:30:45 PM #18 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1725
Caching of files started

3:30:45 PM #19 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4176
Cache writing successful.

3:30:45 PM #20 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1725
Caching of files completed

3:30:45 PM #21 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1725
Burn process started at 4x (5,540 KB/s)

3:30:45 PM #22 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2685
Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

3:30:45 PM #23 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2580
Recording mode: Sequential Recording Mode

3:30:45 PM #24 Text 0 File MMC.cpp, Line 21611
Set BUFE: Power-Burn -> ON , Adapt writespeed to disc : ON

3:30:45 PM #25 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2735
Start write address at LBA 0
DVD high compatibility mode: Yes

3:30:45 PM #26 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 8411
---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
Book Type: DVD-R (2), Part Version: 2.0x (5), Extended Part Version: 0.0 (0)
Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified=""> (F h)
Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable
Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track
Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
End Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 0 h
End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h (LBN: FFFD0000 h, 4193920 MB)
Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
Start sector number of the current Border-Out: 0 h
Start sector number of the next Border-In: 0 h
Media Specific [16..63]:
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

3:31:19 PM #27 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1197
15:31:19.343 - D: SONY DVD RW DRU-710A : Queue again later

3:45:23 PM #28 Text 0 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 116
<d: sony="" dvd="" rw="" dru-710a=""> start writing Lead-Out at LBA 2253344 (226220h), length 0 blocks

3:45:23 PM #29 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 228
all writers idle, stopping conversion

3:45:23 PM #30 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2978
EndDAO: Last written address was 2253343

3:45:49 PM #31 Phase 37 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1725
Burn process completed successfully at 4x (5,540 KB/s)


Existing drivers:
File 'Drivers\CDR4_2K.SYS': Ver=5.3.2.31, size=58000 bytes, created 2/16/2006 5:30:15 PM
File 'Drivers\CDRALW2K.SYS': Ver=5.3.2.31, size=23420 bytes, created 2/16/2006 5:30:15 PM

Registry Keys:
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)</d:></not></ide></sony></ide></sony>

[Chewy]

have you checked the TY burns in another player?
they should be as good or better than the verbatim

if it's really burning them that bad it may be going out

[soup]

Have you tried any burns with something like ImgBurn just to check.

[GooGoo]

have you checked the TY burns in another player?
they should be as good or better than the verbatim

if it's really burning them that bad it may be going out

I have 2 DVD players in the house: A mintek and an old Toshiba. The Toshiba can't play any DVD-R's or +Rs but that's no surprise since it's about 6 years old I think.

I also tried it on my brothers players. He has 3 including an X-Box. They skip and freeze on his too. I have been hoping that my burner is not at fault, but I'm not sure how I could know for sure.

Have you tried any burns with something like ImgBurn just to check.

Yeah, I've tried ImgBurn and I still had problems.

[photo_angel2004]

I have a 6 year old Toshiba model now too and mine wont play DVD+R but will play DVD-R, I bought a high end one at that time.

If it is your burner they dont cost very much these days. How long have you have the burner?

[GooGoo]

I have a 6 year old Toshiba model now too and mine wont play DVD+R but will play DVD-R, I bought a high end one at that time.

If it is your burner they dont cost very much these days. How long have you have the burner?

I got it last christmas for about $70. An incredible price at the time. I was recently looking around some trusted online stores, seeing if they still sell my burner somewhere. But it looks like Sony is phasing it out to make room for newer burners because everywhere I go it's out of stock.

[Chewy]

That's a 3rd generation liteon drive and they are on the 4th and 5th now.
Unless you have used it a lot? it may just be a bad drive, it was released
in 12/04. How do the disks play in the sony burner on the computer?

[soup]

I am sorry I am no expert on Nero7 but when I see a ? I wonder why.

Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ?

[GooGoo]

That's a 3rd generation liteon drive and they are on the 4th and 5th now.
Unless you have used it a lot? it may just be a bad drive, it was released
in 12/04. How do the disks play in the sony burner on the computer?

A normal DVD (War of the Worlds, Batman Begins, etc) will play fine on my burner. No freezing or skipping. But any backup discs that freezes on my standalone player will also freeze on my burner.

[tonay]

I've found that my $120 Sony (at the time) that is advertised to play anything in any format on a cd/dvd skips or pixelates almost every back up (and I use Verbatiums @ 4x both -R and +R). I bought a crap $20 magnavox for my office on sale that plays almost everything without error (+R). It's now attached to the main tv for all my back up playing.

As far as the verbatims - I only have one problem disc so far and I'm not sure it's the original disc I backed up from yet. My son doesn't complain so I haven't re-burn't it.

Hope this helps

[GooGoo]

Thanks for the help everyone. I really, really appreciate it. This is a great forum.

I am sorry I am no expert on Nero7 but when I see a ? I wonder why.

I was wondering about that too. Apparently, the Nero Info tool doesn't see an ASPI file in "System ASPI" (it says that none are installed). But it does see one in "Nero ASPI". Unfortunately, it will only let me use the non-existant "System ASPI". Anyway, I Just fixed this problem minutes ago by placing the "NERO ASPI" in the /WINNT/system32 folder. Now my nero info tool sees it . Maybe this will help my problem when it comes time to burn again?

[Chewy]

the ScuzziPassThruInterface that nero 7 and 6.6.1.4 use is superior to any
aspi, ImgBurn uses it also.

[GooGoo]

the ScuzziPassThruInterface that nero 7 and 6.6.1.4 use is superior to any
aspi, ImgBurn uses it also.

So it's ok to ignore this line below?

Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ?