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  • DonKg7
    Junior Member
    Junior Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 5

    Bad DVD backups created but getting no errors

    I've been unsuccessful in creating a working DVD backup, but there's nothing obvious going wrong. I'm trying to use an ISO image to create the backup (the ISO image looks fine via DvdShrink), have used ImgBurn, Nero and DvdDecryptor with similar (bad) results. The DVD that's created includes a little of the content from the intended backup ISO interleaved with a few seconds of content from other attempted backups (that have been deleted?!). The DVD plays this gibberish for no more than 30 seconds. I've tried two different burners on the same machine with similar results, and two different kinds of media. An example ImgBurn log file is shown below.

    Any ideas? Thanks!

    ; //****************************************\\
    ; ImgBurn Version 2.1.0.0 - Log
    ; Tuesday, 20 February 2007, 23:09:45
    ; \\****************************************//
    ;
    I 22:59:18 ImgBurn Version 2.1.0.0 started!
    I 22:59:18 Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional (5.0, Build 2195 : Service Pack 4)
    I 22:59:19 Initialising SPTI...
    I 22:59:19 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
    I 22:59:29 Found 1 DVD±RW and 1 DVD±RW/RAM!
    I 23:00:20 Operation Started!
    I 23:00:20 Source File: F:\CURB_YOUR_ENTHUSIASM_D1.ISO
    I 23:00:20 Source File Sectors: 667,605 (MODE1/2048)
    I 23:00:20 Source File Size: 1,367,255,040 bytes
    I 23:00:20 Source File Volume Identifier: CURB_YOUR_ENTHUSIASM_D1
    I 23:00:20 Source File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink
    I 23:00:20 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
    I 23:00:20 Destination Device: [1:0:0] TSSTcorp CD/DVDW SH-S182D SB04 (G (ATAPI)
    I 23:00:20 Destination Media Type: DVD+RW (Disc ID: MKM-A02-00) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x)
    I 23:00:20 Destination Media Sectors: 2,295,104
    I 23:00:20 Write Mode: DVD
    I 23:00:20 Write Type: DAO
    I 23:00:20 Write Speed: MAX
    I 23:00:20 Link Size: Auto
    I 23:00:20 Test Mode: No
    I 23:00:20 BURN-Proof: Enabled
    I 23:00:42 Filling Buffer...
    I 23:00:42 Writing LeadIn...
    I 23:00:47 Writing Image...
    I 23:04:54 Synchronising Cache...
    I 23:04:57 Closing Session...
    I 23:04:58 Image MD5: f6f0d78b65911a43d281db29a0263254
    I 23:04:58 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:04:37
    I 23:04:58 Average Write Rate: 5,427 KB/s (3.9x) - Maximum Write Rate: 5,592 KB/s (4.0x)
    I 23:04:58 Cycling Tray before Verify...
    W 23:05:05 Waiting for device to become ready...
    I 23:05:19 Device Ready!
    I 23:05:19 Operation Started!
    I 23:05:19 Source Device: [1:0:0] TSSTcorp CD/DVDW SH-S182D SB04 (G (ATAPI)
    I 23:05:19 Source Media Type: DVD+RW (Book Type: DVD+RW) (Disc ID: MKM-A02-00) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x)
    I 23:05:19 Image File: F:\CURB_YOUR_ENTHUSIASM_D1.ISO
    I 23:05:19 Image File Sectors: 667,605 (MODE1/2048)
    I 23:05:19 Image File Size: 1,367,255,040 bytes
    I 23:05:19 Image File Volume Identifier: CURB_YOUR_ENTHUSIASM_D1
    I 23:05:19 Image File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink
    I 23:05:19 Image File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
    I 23:05:19 Verifying Sectors...
    I 23:09:06 Device MD5: f6f0d78b65911a43d281db29a0263254
    I 23:09:06 Image MD5: f6f0d78b65911a43d281db29a0263254
    I 23:09:06 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:03:46
    I 23:09:06 Average Verify Rate: 5,908 KB/s (4.3x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 7,401 KB/s (5.3x)
    I 23:09:27 Close Request Acknowledged
    I 23:09:27 Closing Down...
    I 23:09:45 Shutting down SPTI...
    I 23:09:45 ImgBurn closed!
  • Chewy
    Super Moderator
    • Nov 2003
    • 18971

    #2
    welcome to the forum

    until you get the bugs out of the backup process, working with iso's is dangerous, they are hard to play without a few extra steps or the right combination of drivers.


    those series disks are always packed full and your file size from shrink should be a full dvd, yours is very small

    If you had saved as file output not iso this would have been obvious when you checked shrink's output before burning

    Looks like dvdshrink could not handle this on it's own?

    Doesn't look like a media or burning problem

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    • DonKg7
      Junior Member
      Junior Member
      • Jan 2007
      • 5

      #3
      Thanks for the feedback Chewy. This has been really frustrating.

      The reason that the ISO is so small is that I used the "Re-author" feature in DVD Shrink to try to back up a single episode with no compression (to make the process as simple as possible to try and isolate the problem). The ISO that's created via this process loads and plays fine using the "Open Disk Image..." feature in DVD Shrink, so it seems like the ISO that is being created is OK. As a side note, I do get the different errors in DVD Shrink (e.g., "Invalid access to memory location", "DVD Shrink encountered an error and cannot continue.") when attempting to shrink an entire DVD (i.e., decrypted set of files). I have had no success in solving these issues with the info in the DVD Shrink Error Code FAQ, and this is another reason that I reverted to a simple uncompressed ISO of a single episode.

      What are the "few extra steps" that are needed to play a DVD created via an ISO?

      Thanks again for the help. I really appreciate it.

      Don

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      • Chewy
        Super Moderator
        • Nov 2003
        • 18971

        #4
        using reauthor with shrink make dvd files, and check playability with MediaPlayerClassic, powerdvd, etc

        then you know that part's ok, you should be able to fit 3 or 4 episodes on one single layer dvd

        have you been doing a full erase on the rw before burning to it?

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        • DonKg7
          Junior Member
          Junior Member
          • Jan 2007
          • 5

          #5
          Installed MPC, but I get the "Cannot render the file" error. This looks like the problem discussed at length at http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?t=69132. It suggests installing Nero to correct the problem, but I have Nero installed already. I'll try to locate and install powerdvd to see if the ISO can be played via that tool.

          That said, it's my understanding that DVD Shrink will play non-compliant ISOs, but since I'm using DVD Shrink to create the ISO, is it safe to assume that it's creating a compliant ISO?

          Thanks again for the input.

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          • Chewy
            Super Moderator
            • Nov 2003
            • 18971

            #6
            is it safe to assume that it's creating a compliant ISO
            best not to assume anything when you are just getting started

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            • soup
              Just Trying To Help
              • Nov 2005
              • 7524

              #7
              Try VLC Media Player or try downloading ffdshow to help Media Player Classic.

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              • DonKg7
                Junior Member
                Junior Member
                • Jan 2007
                • 5

                #8
                Tried VLC Media Player, and it is also unable to open the file (player window expands for a few seconds without playing anything and then returns to static state). Should it work without any external plug-ins (or custom configuration), or does it require helper apps (like ffdshow)? When looking at the ISO via Windows Explorer, it doesn't look like there's been a file association between VLC and ISO files, but this may be expected behavior.

                Does this indicate that the ISO is bad or do the players need further troubleshooting/tweaking?

                In response to Chewy's question above, I've tried doing the burn w/ virgin +RWs as well as +R media, and I get the same bizarre behavior.

                Again, the help is really appreciated.

                Don

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                • NightTran
                  King of Digital Video
                  King of Digital Video
                  • Aug 2005
                  • 4224

                  #9
                  Originally Posted by DonKg7
                  Tried VLC Media Player, and it is also unable to open the file (player window expands for a few seconds without playing anything and then returns to static state). Should it work without any external plug-ins (or custom configuration), or does it require helper apps (like ffdshow)? When looking at the ISO via Windows Explorer, it doesn't look like there's been a file association between VLC and ISO files, but this may be expected behavior.

                  Does this indicate that the ISO is bad or do the players need further troubleshooting/tweaking?

                  In response to Chewy's question above, I've tried doing the burn w/ virgin +RWs as well as +R media, and I get the same bizarre behavior.

                  Again, the help is really appreciated.

                  Don
                  if you have good RW media or spend one good disc burn to it first then put that burn disc back in and use ripit4me and ripit again this iso after ripit fixvts and shrink you should be able to watch by VLC
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                  • DonKg7
                    Junior Member
                    Junior Member
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 5

                    #10
                    Sorry for not getting back on this sooner (out of town for a couple of days). Should have thought of this sooner, but asked a friend to see if he could burn a disk using the image that appeared to be good. The resulting DVD exhibited the same strange behavior. It looks like the image that played fine via DVD Shrink had serious issues, so the problem appears to have occurred further upstream in the backup process. If I can't isolate and resolve the problem, I'll take it up in one of the other forums.

                    Thanks again for the help!

                    Don

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