16:9 To 4:3

[blutach]

Crikey TNT! That's all I can say. Crikey.

Regards

[TNT]

I knew someone would not understand why I want a 4:3!

I feel that if you are dedicating a certain amount of real estate for your tv, you might as well go 4:3 and get a larger 4:3 when you do watch the old shows. Plus, subtitiling can be put in the black area instead of on the picture.

[nwg]

How can anyone go back to 4:3 after watching films that need the widescreen ratio?





80% of the DVD's I have is widescreen. I want the biggest widescreen picture I can get. I then watch 4:3 with borders left and right.

[ed klein]

TNT,

I enjoy full screen too, especially on a full screen TV.

But, how about this:

Widescreen on east & west borders, and full screen on north & south borders?
With NO black borders left, right, top, bottom.
NICE

[TNT]

How can anyone go back to 4:3 after watching films that need the widescreen ratio?





80% of the DVD's I have is widescreen. I want the biggest widescreen picture I can get. I then watch 4:3 with borders left and right.

I'm not disputing that Widescreen is nice for movies. I'm a BIG advocate for waching films in their propper aspect ratios. But in the picture above, what if your 4:3 source was as wide as the widescreen and taller! You'd have the same size wide screen. Just a bigger 4:3. Think of it this way. Let's say you have a certain size wide screen. On a wide screen set, the 4:3 has to fit so that it's height is the same as the wide screen. With a 4:3 set, your widescreen would be the same size, but your 4:3 (IMAX for example), would be as wide as the widescreen, but taller. Same amount of real estate, foot print wise. Nice screen shots BTW, Yours? How big?

TNT,


Widescreen on east & west borders, and full screen on north & south borders?
With NO black borders left, right, top, bottom.
NICE

Could you explain this? I'm not quite sure I follow you.

[nwg]

@TNT

Don't you hate massive black borders top and bottom with 2.35:1 ratio films and 4:3 TV? That drove me nuts and I got a widescreen TV day pretty soon after. They are now much smaller and the ws image is much bigger.

Basically it just comes down to what is more important. Widescreen will look bigger on a widescreen TV and 4:3 looks smaller (unless it is stretched which is a big no no). A 4:3 TV will have small widscreen and big 4:3. As widescreen is more important. It was a no brainer in getting a ws TV.

I have a 28" WS TV which shows 4:3 at 21". To keep my 28" ws size on a 4:3 TV. It would require a 4:3 TV at 36". That will be a massive TV and it will be too big in terms of size for me.

I kinda cheated with those screenshots. They are from my projector and is 80" diameter. A 4:3 image is almost 100" if zoomed out to fill my screen

[blutach]

What about massive ARs like 2.80 to 1?

Regards

[nwg]

What about massive ARs like 2.80 to 1?

Regards

Is anything in that aspect? I do have some DVD's at 2.40 and I think 2.45.

[blutach]

IIRC, Ben Hur mighta been.

Regards

[TNT]

@TNT

Don't you hate massive black borders top and bottom with 2.35:1 ratio films and 4:3 TV?

Doesn't bother me. Perfect place to put subtitles. Plus, you get borders on top and bottom even with a widescreen if you watch a 2.35:1 for example.

I have a 28" WS TV which shows 4:3 at 21". To keep my 28" ws size on a 4:3 TV. It would require a 4:3 TV at 36". That will be a massive TV and it will be too big in terms of size for me.

This is where the misunderstanding is.

Let's say that you have enough room for a 36" 4:3 TV. That screen is 28.8" wide. For argument's sake, let's forget about the cabinet for the moment. On this 36" TV, you can have a 33" (33.04" if you want to grind numbers) widescreen image. So, logically, a 33" widescreen would have the same width and footprint of a 36" standard TV. If you bought a 33" wide screen TV, you would only be able to get a 27" 4:3 image. So, if you're going to dedicate 28.8" of floorspace for your TV, and you get a 33" widescreen picture either way, wouldn't you rather have a 36" 4:3 as opposed to a 27"? I would. Plus, your black bars will always be on the top and bottom as opposed to sometimes on the top and bottom (when viewing 2.35:1) and other times on the sides (when viewing 4:3). Yes, most movies are in widescreen, as is HD. But remember, the old shows shot in 4:3 will always be in 4:3 as is IMAX. I hope I was clearer this time.

[TNT]

IIRC, Ben Hur mighta been.

Regards

Here's a great site on widescreen for anyone interested.

I think you're right about Ben Hur. I believe it was 2.76:1

[nwg]

This is where the misunderstanding is.

I didn't misunderstand anything. Have you actually had a widescreen TV? I ahve been using 4:3 and 16:9 TV's for a long time.

I make this my last post on the subject. I went for 28" widscreen (visible screen in diameter) it is all done by diameter and not horizontal wdith of screen. I went from a 25" 4:3 and was disappointed to get a 21" 4:3 image with the 28" TV. To keep a 25" 4:3 image I would have had to get a 32" WS TV (7" difference).

Now I have a 28" WS TV. If I wanted to keep a 28" WS on a 4:3 TV. The closest is a 36" (no 35" ones around).

I would rather have a 1" border top and bottom with a 2.35:1 film on a WS TV (plus big anamorphic picture) than a 4:3 with borders probably around 6" top and bottom and no anamorphic (letterbox).

Try this converter. It is slightly not accurate when looking a visible screen in a CRT TV. Like with CRT monitors. The edges of the screen is hidden behind the casing. So while a 28" WS TV has 21" visible for 4:3. It is really closer to 23". You will get 23" visible with a 28" WS LCD or Plasma TV as they display like a LCD monitor and a 17" monitor actually shows 17".

http://www.cnet.com/4520-7874_1-6307377-1.html

The Ben Hur I have seen on DVD is 2.70:1.

[TNT]

I'm sure you meant diagonal as opposed to diameter. But anyway, Using your converter, put 36 up top in the standard TV section. That gives you 33. Put 33 in the in the bottom widescreen section. This gives you 27". THESE TWO SETS WOULD HAVE THE SAME WIDTH AND WIDESCREEN IMAGE SIZE!

If you have a 28" DIAGONAL widescreen, then your TV is 24.4" WIDE. You can watch a 23" 4:3 image on this screen. If you had a 4:3 Standard set that was 30.5" diagonal (no such thing exists), It would still be 24.4" wide. So, if you had bought a 30.5" 4:3 (doesn't exist), it would give you the same widescreen size as your 28" without it taking up any more space on your floor. But even a 32" diagonal 4:3 would only be 25.6" wide.

Now all of this is a moot point because they don't make 4:3 Full HD sets. The last 4:3 HD direct view set that they made that I know of was the 40" SONY but it couldn't handle 1080P because there were no 1080p sources at the time. Which brings me to my original point. I WISH they would make a 4:3 HD set. BTW such a set would need to be capable of a resolution of approximately 1920x1440.

Another note. In USA they measure screen diagonal by the size of the actual tube. In Europe, they measure by the visible part of the tube. So, a 36" in USA would be a 35" in Europe.

Cute converter by the way.

[nwg]

I did mean diagonal. As I said my 28" has a 21" (not 23" as that applies to LCD's) 4:3 image VISIBLE as it is a CRT TV.

Foget width. No one uses that. Anyway the visible width is 23" with my TV. Sure it will be 24" wide actual but you don't see that much.

THESE TWO SETS WOULD HAVE THE SAME WIDTH AND WIDESCREEN IMAGE SIZE!

No it won't. A 33" has a 27" 4:3 (called windowbox in that page) image. A 33" widescreen will have a 33" widescreen image and a 27" 4:3 will have a 25" widescreen size. There is always 6-7" (depends if you want visible or actual) between the 4:3 and the equiavlent widescreen wqhen you don't lose any diagonal in 4:3. Hence, a 33" WS TV will have the same visible as a 25" TV.

Put 32" in the widscreen diagonal in that page and it will show 26" as the 4:3 (or 25" visible). They will not have the same widescreen width as he 25" will be 23" widescreen (or 21-22" visible).

I don't want to post anymore as it takes the thread off topic

[TNT]

Neither do I. I will pm you. What was the topic?