DVD-Rebuilder + (CCE 2.5 or 2.7) or (ProCoder 1.5 or 2.0) ???

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...dvd2one V2.0.0 --- I said "similar", not equal... =)

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[UncasMS]

dvd2one v2 was one of the worst i have tested:

http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?t=57235

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...ya: the RB+CCE2.66 3-passes (I mean VAF+2) result looked (in some parts) similar to the shots you posted about dvd2oneV2. As you said: too low bitrate for CCE, probably (and not enough passes). I should give a try to PROCODER! =)

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[blutach]

Once you do nullstuff, there will be no going back to CCE rubbish.

Regards

[rocknn]

@Uncasms- blutach
Sorry for my delay in getting back with you (normal work and fam you know). Thanks again for your pointers.

@Uncasms, I need a tad bit of help on the filters. I have used the Undot and Deen that came installed already in rebuilder without and issues, just takes more time. I tried using the fluxsmooth( downloaded it and installed it in the avisynth file. All seem to be correct until I tried to use RB with that filter and it ran through the encode process in about 3 minutes....I knew something was screwy. didnt even finish with the rest of the process. I am a little confused about adding the fluxsmooth to the Avs command line filter inside RB. When adding undot or deen, I have seen examples where you just add the Undot() ...... Deen() and that seems to work. However I was checking out your examples of using the other filters in the Sticky, it it shows using some additional command lines that are not used with Undot and deen in a couple of other examples I have seen in other guides. Can you please explain these for me.

@blutach, thanks for the link. Wish those pics would have been a bit bigger to check out, but I am pretty sure that I am suffering from macroblocking. I have checked out the birate view, but not enough to do a frame or very small file in the movie, only the whole movie. I know it is around 3100 average after compressing and RBing and encoding. Dont know how acceptable that is for TV series quality source. I am still pretty new to this stuff but am learning fast.

As far as all of my tests with RB and CCE basic, Procoder and HC. Here is what I have found out with trying to backup the best quality I can on this TV episode DVD source.
1.Used CCE basic, got an overall pretty good backup. Most people would be happy, was trying to get a very clean backup, but with cce basic, it seemed just a little grainy......not bad, just a little, and it hardly had any macroblocking noticeable in the background dark gray colors.
2. Used CCE basic with Undot and Deen, overall picture seemed sharper, but with that I had an increase in background macroblocking in the darker gray colors. Enough to bother me soon.
3. Used Precoder 2 and basically got a very similar picture to the cce basic with the filters added, maybe a tad sharper picture, but also I think the macroblocking in the background was a tad more predominate.
4. Tried HC encoder and got similar results as the Procoder. With a clean overall picture and with some evident macroblocking in the background.

Another point, in another test I have eliminated one of the episodes on the file to allow for more bitrate and less compressing. (backed up only 3 instead of all 4 of the episodes that were on the original source.) The results were exactly the same as above, as it did not help with my macroblocking in the background issue.

Also, FYI, I backed up just one episode without using any compression, and it was just like the original....no macroblocking in the background.

(Here is why I used the term macroblocking. Found this on another site.
Macrobloking:
For those of you who are unfamiliar with the macroblocking bug, here is a brief rundown:Macroblocking appears on some DVD’s as an artifact of heavy MPEG compression. Macroblocking looks like patches of moving/pulsating off-color blocks, and is most often seen on background walls and floors, in mist, and in fade-in/fade-out scenes.)

I may be trying to do the impossible of taking a 7.5-7.9 gb tv series disc, and compress it down to a 4.7 and expect near perfect results. I think that some of the original source had so little bitrate dedicated to the non-moving background, that taking any of the original away, causes the macroblocking.

Anybody wanting to give me any ideas, I would be glad to listen.

[UncasMS]

i'm not sure on what to explain in more detail

there are the first two lines to load the plugins, which must be done when the filters are not located in the avisynth-plugin folder

otherwise these lines can be omitted

the last two lines call the two filters undot + fluxsmooth

i have also added three typical examples of fluxsmooth parameters in my first posting

[zest]

just a quick question is procoder express the same as procoder 2 but with fewer features