Please help!

[Sephiroth]

PLEASE I need to know! I have a 1:39 hours film, I want to fit it onto one SVCD! Is this possible using a very low bitrate or is 80 minutes the max limit??
thanx

[thePest]

Hello again " Sephiroth"

"Well?" the answer is "YES" and "NO"

No = it isn't possible to drop the bitrate under 2,000 and really expect SVCD quality!

But =

From one of the members here. They pointed out a very good template for TMPEG that can make this possible! Now I have only had time to play with their VCD settings for now. But they show an Mpeg2 and a DVD template. Here is my response for a VCD:

Tried a DVDrip of a movie I did to VCD. Using the mpeg1 template. It took a 468mb and 46min file and made it into a 218 24min mpeg file. Seems to fool the burn program into thinking there is less minutes also. Cd1 & Cd2 was 79min. The final PLAYABLE file was showing as 318mb 49mins. even though it played the whole 79mins.? TMPGEnc conversion ran about 3 hrs a Cd for the size file on a 550mhz 256ram unit. Works great for Adult and kids flicks. Since neither need great quality anyways. LoL

http://kvcd.net/

What is KVCD?
KVCD is a modification to the standard MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 GOP structure and Quantization Matrix. It enables you to create up to 120 minutes of high quality video, depending on your material,
on a single 80 minute CD-R/CD-RW.
The KVCD templates produce 352x240(288) and 352x480(576) NTSC and PAL MPEG-1 variable bit rate video, from 300Kbps to 1,750Kbps, and audio at 160Kbps.
The KVCDx2 templates come in two flavors: One to create up to 120 minutes of video on one 80 minute CD-R, and another to create up to 120 minutes of video with near DVD quality, on two CD-R's. They produce 704x480(576) NTSC and PAL MPEG-1 variable bit rate video, from 300Kbps to 2,300Kbps, and audio at 160Kbps.
Please check the new KVCDx3 templates and KVCD_LBR 180 minute template!
The mpeg files created will play back in most modern standalone DVD players.
You must burn the mpeg files as non-standard VCD with Nero or VCDEasy.

As for Media? There is 90min and 99min CDrs out now! This is an old post I made that could use a new update:

99 minute blanks
Last change: 28-09-2001

Technical background

This unusual amount of storage capacity is made possible by the combination of the two known methods used so far to raise capacity:

1. Moving the tracks of the Helix closer together, as is done with 80 minutes blanks. 2. Using the so-called method of 'overburning' which uses the full capacity of the media beyond the given specifications, giving you an additional 2 to 4 minutes.

Both methods used together will give you blanks of exceptional length which still have to be 'overburned'. This is due to the fact that the ATIP of the blank, such as 80 minute media, specifies a maximum recording length of 79:59 minutes - regardless of the actual capacity of the blank. Unfortunately it is not possible to extend these specifications much beyond that point. These specifications were agreed upon more than ten years ago when the CD was introduced and they were intended for 74 minute media. Even the now common 80 minute blanks are not really compatible with the original specifications (although they are included in them), and processing them is only possible because of the fact that there is built-in tolerance concerning the distance between tracks. Incidentally, brand name CD-Rs will mostly only work within the given specification to ensure best compatibility with as many recorders and players as possible. This explains why for a long time only no-name 80 minute blanks were available.

Hardware problems with the 99 minute media

Given the extreme exploitation of all existing tolerances you are likely to experience problems when recording or processing 99 minute blanks. Not every drive will happily record information onto the blank. There can, for example, be problems due to the information encoded in the ATIP of the media, where the maximum recording time specified is 79:59 minutes. The space beyond that is reserved for lead-in data. If one wants to use this space for recording data then the space would have to be displayed in negative values. The last sector within the 79:59 minute space would be given the value of 1 and the first sector beyond that would have the value of -45150. This would result in having every sector number within that space twice on your CD. Given this many drives will refuse to record any data into that region of your blank. Some audio CD players and CD-ROM drives will also experience difficulties processing the blanks, especially when trying to start a track. The playback may be delayed by as much as 45 seconds until the player has found the right track. Some players will not play tracks that start beyond the 90 minute mark when the track is directly selected.

Software problems with the 99 minute media

Recording programs get their information about the blank from the ATIP of the media. If the ATIP specifies a maximum time of 80 minutes then the only way to use any space beyond that is the method of so-called 'Overburning' which was until now used in cases where one wanted to sqeeze a little more information onto a 74 minute blank. That means that you need the right software which enables you to 'overburn' blanks. The program will normally display a warning message in these cases. Under certain circumstances the program will not be able to process the blank at all. It will at least display the 'wrong' maximum recording space of the blank because the specified time is 80 minutes. Otherwise all recorders would reject the media. Conclusions Working with both CD-Rs of more than 650 MB and the 'overburning' method requires a compatible recorder as well as the right recording software. In terms of software we recommend CDRWIN from Golden Hawk, DiscJuggler or cdrecord from Jörg Schilling. Should you want to use recording software from other manufacturers, we recommend that you contact themdirectly. A list of compatible drives can be found here:

Company Model / Firmware Max. Capacity Successful Failed

AOpen
CRW 9642 89:59 All -
CRW 1232 89:59 All -
CRW 1232A 89:59 All -
CRW 1232 Pro 89:59 All -
CRW 1632 > 1.03 99:05 All -

Creative
CD-RW 4224E 89:59 All -
CD-RW 8432E 89:59 All -

Freecom
4x/4x/20x 89:59 2x, 4x, 8x Rest

Lite-On
LTR- 24102B 99:05 All -
LTR-16101B 89:59 All -

LG Electronics
CED - 8080BFW > 1.00 99:05 2x, 4x 8x
CED - 8083BFW > 1.00 99:05 2x, 4x 8x
CD-RW - 8084FW > 1.00 89:59 1x, 2x 4x
CD-RW - 8120FW > 1.00 99:05 > 4x 1x, 2x

Memorex
CD-RW 8432 89:59 4x, 2x, 1x -
CD-RW 4420s 89:59 4x, 2x, 1x -

Mitsumi
4801 - - All
4802 - - All
4804 / FW > 2.2C 99:05 1x, 2x, 4x -
4805 / FW > 1.5A 99:05 1x, 2x, 4x, 8x -
4808 98:05 2x, 4x, 8x, 16 x 1x

Plextor
PX-R412 - - All
820T / FW > 1.05 89:59 8x, 4x, 2x 1x
4220T 89:59 4x, 2x 1x
8220T / FW > 1.02 89:59 8x, 4x, 2x 1x
W8432T / FW >1.05 89:59 8x, 4x, 2x 1x
W124T / FW > 1.02 89:59 8x, 4x, 2x -
121032A / FW > 1.01 89:59 12x, 8x, 4x, 2x 1x
1210 89:59 8x, 4x, 2x Rest
161040 94:59 8x, 4x, 2x Rest
2410TA 94:59 8x, 4x, 2x Rest

Ricoh
MP 6200 - - Alle
7040 / FW > 1.02 89:59 4x, 2x, 1x -
MP7060 89:59 4x, 2x, 1x -
7063A-DP 89:59 4x, 2x, 1x -
7080A-DP 89:59 4x, 2x, 1x -
7120A 89:59 4x, 2x, 1x -
7125A > 1.10 99:05 4x, 2x, 1x -
7163A 94:59 8x, 4x, 2x, 1x -
7200A 99:59 8x, 4x, 2x, 1x -
8040 / FW > 1.03 89:59 4x, 2x, 1x -
9060 / FW > 1.05 89:59 6x *2) 4x, 2x, 1x
9120 / FW > 1.10 89:59 All -

Sanyo
CRD-RW2 92:59 1, 2x, 4x Rest
CRD-BP2N 92:59 1, 2x, 4x Rest
CRD-BP4 92:59 1, 2x, 4x Rest
CRD-BP1400PN > 5.32 92:59 Alle, incl. 12x -
CRD-BP1500PN 93:59 Alle, incl. 16x -

Samsung
SW-208B 89:59 4x, 2x, 1x -
SW-212B 89:59 All -
SM-304 89:59 4x, 2x, 1x -
SM-308 89:59 4x, 2x, 1x Rest
SM-408 89:59 4x, 2x, 1x Rest

Smart & Friendly
RW12432 > 1.27 93:59 2x, 4x, 8x Rest

Teac
CD-R 50S - - All
CD-R 55S / FW > 1.0Q 92:59 4x, 2x, 1x -
CD-R 56S/58S *1) - - All
CD-W58E 89:59 8x, 4x, 2x, 1x -
CD-W512 89:59 8x, 4x, 2x, 1x 12x
CD-W516 89:59 All -
CD-W54E 89:59 4x, 2x, 1x -

TDK
161040 91:59 4x, 2x, 1x Rest

Traxdata
CDR 4120 PRO 92:59 1, 2x, 4x -

Waitec
T-Rex 93:59 All -

Yamaha
CRW 6416S 87:59 4x, 2x, 1x -
CRW 8424E/S 87:59 4x, 2x, 1x 8x
CRW 8824E/S 87:59 4x, 2x, 1x 8x
CRW 2100E 89:59 All -
CRW 2200E 91:59 All -


*1) The CD recorder Teac CD-R 56S/58S will record up to 89:59 minutes when running in Teac 55S compatibility mode.

*2) We generally recommend using 2x speed or at most 4x speed to record or you run the risk that some tracks contain errors. The Ricoh MP 9060 drive for example will often fail to record successfully when using 6x speed!

Please note: This list is not meant to be conclusive in any way. We are in contact with many different manufacturers of CD recorders and most of them are interested in compatibility. We will try to give you first-hand information about any improvements done by the manufacturers in terms of compatibility!

hope this is some help.

[Sephiroth]

Of course I cannot expect SVCD quality, but what I wan't to know is, is it possible??? Would the file fit on a standard 80min? (since i don't got the time to buy any 99minutes cds at the moment)
thanx

[gd_nimrod]

Yes, check your other post.

[kwag]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
Of course I cannot expect SVCD quality, but what I wan't to know is, is it possible??? Would the file fit on a standard 80min? (since i don't got the time to buy any 99minutes cds at the moment)
thanx

You're right, you cannot expect SVCD quality, only better quality
How about this quality in one CD with KVCDx3 (528x480) ?
Here: http://www.kvcd.net/test-sea.mpg (11 second sample)
That's what the complete movie looks like on one CD.
Preview it with WinDVD or PowerDVD.

Enjoy
-kwag