Synch problems when making VCD with Nero

[Joakim]

Hi!

I am very new on this. I recently downloaded a movie which was a .avi-file. I then use Nero 5 to make it into VCD for playing in on my DVD-player. I have done this a few times and everything has turned out fine in the end, but the last movie turned out to have synch problem between the picture and the sound. On the final result on the VCD, the sound came before the picture.

I have never experienced this problem before and now I wonder what could have caused that problem.

The downloaded file was a .avi-file (a dvd-rip with divx3), but I have succeeded with making VCD out of those files before...

Is there anything I can adjust somewhere? In Nero's preferences, or other places...?

Thanks!

[shiny#3]

welcome Joakim

I understand that the out of sync problem also appears when
you play it in your DVD standalone player.!?

I guess you did try.

( just to rule out any codec problems on your machine)

I guess that the original avi file has a different sound format
than your avis before.

to be more specific in helpeing you we need to know
a little more about your avi file.
can you load it into Gspot and post the specifications
about video and audio in here, or better do a screen shot
and post it here.

you could also use virtual dub if you don´t have Gspot
(but try to get Gspot anyway)

just load your avi file into virtual dub or better virtual dub mod

hit file information in the File drop down menue
and post here EVERYTHING it states. or better a screenshot of it.

[Joakim]

Thanks for your reply.

I'm so new at this, so I really don't know what you mean with Gspot of virtual dub. I'm also swedish, so I maybe have hard times to understand exact what you mean.

Is there any information I could give you from the file that I can get from the file itself to help YOU help ME?

I have Windows XP, by the way...

I also have Divx verion 5 with belonging player

In Nero I have the mpeg/avi encoder as well...

Like I said, I've burned VCD's from such avi-files before, but with no synch problems...

Thanks!

[Joakim]

Here's some info from the file. I know it's in swedisg, but I think you will could figure out what everything means...hopefully.

[Joakim]

Screen shot from Gspot

[shiny#3]

"I'm so new at this, so I really don't know what you mean with Gspot of virtual dub. I'm also swedish, so I maybe have hard times to understand exact what you mean. "

Gspot is a little tool that reveals very detailed properties
of a videofile along with the information if it can be played
on your current system setting.

you can obtain it here

http://www.divx-digest.tv/software/codec/gspot221.exe

or here

http://www.headbands.com/gspot/

Virtual dub is a very very useful tool that can help you
in fixing out of sync problems in an avi file.

you can obtain it here.

http://www.virtualdub.org/

by your properties that you have sended I can only
guess that the mpeg layer 3 stream has a variable bitrate
and that this is what causes the out of sync problem.

to fix it you will need an editing software and i suggest that you fix the problem in the avi file before you encode it, because this might happen to you more often than you think, and doing a trial and error with nero wastes a lot of time.

I suggest you get these little very useful tools and then return

with a new screenshot please we might be able to fix your problem with virtual dub

[shiny#3]

by your screen shot of gspot I can tell that your avi is fine.

I am not quite sure if nero did the encoding fine
can you give me a screen shot of your VCD movie file
just browse your vcd go to the mpeg folder or mpegav folder
load that big moviefile with gspot and post the screenshot!!

[Joakim]

Here's a screen shot of the .dat-file from the finished VCD that I have synch problems with....

[setarip]

To Joakim

Have you PLAYED the original .AVI? Is it also out of synchronization?

[Joakim]

When playing the original .avi file in DivX player, evrything is ok. When playing the original .avi file in Windows Media Player, the synch is not good.

I just tried to encode the original .avi file in another program and make it into .mpg, but the synch was not good in Windows Media Player. Haven't checked it in DivX player yet, but I guess it's no use...

What can I do?

Thanks for all your replies, by the way...

[shiny#3]

first of all I suggest using BS player or MV2 player
to test the videos. windows media player gave me some wierd
results of good avis also , but that might be due to bad configuration??!!??

but now we should try to fix your problem.

it is a good Idea if such out of sync problems occur
to give nero a wav audio stream instead of letting
nero process the original mp3 file.

here is how to do the needed conversion

1. run Virtual dub ( hope you have it right now)
2. open your avi file with the file dropdown menue
, and selecting open video file.
3. in the video dropdown menue choose direct stream copy
4. in the audio dropdown menue choose full processing mode
5. reopen the audiomenue and hit conversion
6. change the sampling rate to 44100 khz here
7. reopen the audio menue
8. hit compression
9. choose no compression (pcm)
10.hit ok
11.in the option dropdown menue check the sync to audio
12.with the file dropdown menue save it with save as avi
by using a NEW name


you now have an avifile that is a lot bigger than the original one
due to the fact that audio is uncompressed now
try to encode this with nero. I also suggest that you update your
nero to the last version of 5.5xxx if you have not done it already

It should work now.

If it still does not work with nero you can also use Tmpeg
for creating a good videofile for the use in a VCD
it is an easy to use programm which is freeware for
VCD encoding.
check the software section to get it.

good luck!!!

[Joakim]

Thank you very much. I will try to do as you suggested and come back here and tell you the result.


By the way, what is "BS player or MV2 player "???

[shiny#3]

Bsplayer and MV2 player are really good
freeware players for the use with divx, avi, mpg movies .
They have a huge amount of features and options and
work excellently.

they can be downloaded at the softwaresection of this site.

http://www.divx-digest.com/software/index4.html#players

[Joakim]

Hi again!

I followed your instructions and got the new file and yes, it was larger. Then I opened Nero (version 5.5.9.14 Iguess) and started to encode it and burn my VCD from the new file.

However, the new VCD was not better than my other 2. There were still synch problem.

I have also done a encoding from that other program, TMPGEnc, but with the same result.

All in all, I have burned 3 VCD's now...all with synch problems.

First 2 directly from the original .avi file and then 1 of the new .avi file that I followed your suggestions of. One of them in Nero 6 Ultra Edition and the other one in Nero 5.5.9.14.

I have, like I said, made a .mpg file from the program TMPGEnc, but didn't burn it as the synch problems still showed when playing it in Windows Media Player.

There is no synch problem when playing the original .avi file in the DivX player...

This is also the first time I have got this problem, as I have burnt other VCD's from equal .avi files...

I feel like gving up this .avi file, but I really want my son to see this movie...

Thanks a million for helping me!

[shiny#3]

I understand why you are ready to give up.
there is still another method....
you can use bbmepeg to remux your file that you got out of Tmpeg and correct the sync error when you know how much the
audio stream or the moviestream is delayed.

the bbmpeg is also on this site along with some tutorials.

by the way ..... i recommend checking your vcds that nero created for you before you burn them to CD
to do so just choose the image recorder of nero in recorder pull down menue to store an image of your vcd first.

then you can mount that image with for example
Daemon tools 333 or alcohol 120% or......, into a vitual drive
that these tools create and play it from there. this Virtual drives
just act as if you have another drive installed.

here is a method suggested by rsquirell a time ago on someone who ended up with a delay over 23 seconds
he suggested fixing it with Tmpeg.

"Synch it up in TMPGenc. Load your video...go to "Settings" "Advanced" tab, and in "Source Range" find the "Audio Adjustments" box. Adjust + if audio after lip movement and - if before. 23 seconds is a long delay, so I'd begin at 1000 in the direction you need to go and make subsequent corrections in 400MSec intervals. Load DVD Template...hit start. and abort after first lip movement to check progress." maybe this works for you!!!