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  • d-clone
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    • Jul 2002
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    Problems ripping and DVD2AVI playback

    Hey, Im trying to rip an oldie (The Matrix)

    When I ripp, everything goes fine, untill I try to preview in DVD2AVI.

    First, it says its FILM (progressive) for like 5 secs.
    When the Warner Bros logo starts, it says NTSC 15% then it goes up to NTSC 82% saying its interlaced, even though it doesnt look interlaced
    After that it jumps back to FILM starting at around 20%, progressive, but if i look at it very closely, i can see that its very finely interlaced.
    From there it stays in FILM and goes up to 96% (5 min into the movie), saying its progressive, even though you can finely see thats its interlaced, almost unoticable)

    Thats not all, theres a scene about 1-3 minutes into the movie that it jerks back and forth, so you know what I mean, heres how the scene goes:

    -Trinity breaks the cops arm, and hitshim in the face, and starts to jump to kick him (taht famous scene)
    Vob cell id [2,3]

    -When shes like 2 feet from the ground, the movie jerks back to where she just ended to hit him, and jumps again.
    Vob cell id [3,1]

    -When the camera is turning, and its right behind the cop, it jerks back to where the camera starts turning
    Vob cell id [5,1]

    -Just when her foot is 2 inches from his chest, it jerks back to where the camera is behind the cop
    Vob cell id [4,1]

    -She kicks him, and he goes flying into the wall, right after he bounces off the wall, the camera jerks right to the moment hes flying away from TRinity´s foot.
    Vob cell id [5,1]

    -The instant she kicks the chair, it jerks back to where the cop is grabbing his chest from the blow, and the other cop with the flash light is going to shoot her, thenit jeks back to where she kicks the chair.
    Vob cell id [4,1]

    Im tired of tyiping, but you get the idea, baically, the movie plays for 5 or 6 seconds, and then jerks back like 2 or 3 seconds, and plays again 5 or 6 and it goes on and on, untill she starts talking on the cell phone (about 20 minutes into the movie), and its marked as FILM 99%, progressive and then just FILM, progressive.

    Notice the vob cell ids also jump back and forth

    Now that i noticed it does it in like 4 different parts of the movie, all about the same time apart (30 minutes approx)

    I believe its just a bad ripp, bc if I play it direcly from the DVD, it plays ok. Oh, and if I play the ripped vobs with PowerDVD, it also does the jerky thing.

    Ive tried Smartripper and CladDVD XP, and it does the same thing.

    Help?

    UPDATE; I see it happened to this guy too:
    Talk about DVD authoring and editing, including support tools such as PgcEdit, MenuShrink...


    I think its aprob with it being multiagle, i dunno though. Also, my DVD player is fairly old (4x I think)
    Last edited by d-clone; 17 Jul 2002, 02:28 PM.
  • Enchanter
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    • Feb 2002
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    #2
    Try ripping only one angle. Smartripper has the option for that.

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    • d-clone
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      • Jul 2002
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      #3
      ummm, where?

      Like in the movie tab?

      The ****er has 3 titles, title 2 has 18 pogram chains and 4 of them are 136 minutes long. WTF?
      Last edited by d-clone; 17 Jul 2002, 02:49 PM.

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      • Enchanter
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        #4
        Have a look in the Movie tab. Look for the title and also angle with the corresponding play length of the movie.

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        • d-clone
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          • Jul 2002
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          #5
          It worked!!
          Yuu kick ass, man
          thanks!

          I would like to know (technically) why multianlge discs do this, if anyone can explain....

          Would everybody mind posting here what other DVDs so this crazy shit, so I can be ready when the time comes?

          And one more thing, it doesnt display NTSC or percentages anymore, it just says FILM, and progressive, however, the movie still looks *very slightly* interlaced.
          Should I apply a fast deinterlace filter with Gknot when i encode, or use Force Film?

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          • Enchanter
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            • Feb 2002
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            #6
            Try running Inverse Telecine on it (Using GK or TMPGEnc). It will cut down the framerate to 24 fps (Hence allowing more bits for every frame you have -> Better compressibility) and remove interlacing artifacts. This method works on FILM material only, so you're set to go with this anyway. Forget Force Film. You have better options...

            Star Wars Episode I : TPM (PAL version) is one of the few multi-angle DVDs I've worked with (And swear will never ever come across again), along with a few other anime DVDs.

            Have fun ripping and encoding.

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            • d-clone
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              • Jul 2002
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              #7
              I thought IVTC was only for NTSC movies.
              I used it with my last movie (road trip), bc i noticed that there was an interlacing pattern (10110)
              here, it looks like all the frames are interlaced, when previewing on DVD2AVI.
              However, if i´go frame by frame, it goes away and looks exremely sharp and crisp, i can even count the number of pores on Morpheous face.
              So my guess is to not use anything, maybe?

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              • Enchanter
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                • Feb 2002
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                #8
                I'm not aware of any DVD formats with framerates different from 25fps (PAL) and 29.9fps (NTSC). Judging from your previous posts, it seems to me you have an originally-FILM material that has been converted to NTSC (aka. 3:2 pulldown material). Performing IVTC will 'undo' the 3:2 pulldown process, and allow you to gain better compression (aka. better encode quality) in the end.

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                • d-clone
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                  • Jul 2002
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                  #9
                  i found this on the net:

                  1 - If DVD2AVI displays FILM 95% or more (plain FILM is FILM 100%) as video type and the frame type is Progressive then check Force FILM from the Field operation Video options as shown below.

                  2 - In case you have a FILM Interlaced source, scroll the bar to see if there are interlacing artifacts. If there are not any, then Force FILM. If you can see the nasty interlacing effects, then note that you will need to deinterlace or perform IVTC later on.

                  3 - When your movie is NTSC/Progressive, then check Force FILM. If it is Interlaced, scroll through the movie to see if Interlacing Artifacts appear and act same as above.

                  Doom9´s guide suggest the same, although he is a bit unclearer.

                  In my case (1), it sounds like I have to put force film. I dont think the movie is telecined, bc i dont see a pattern, and if i go frame by frame its not interlaced.



                  UPDATE:
                  If i preview with forced film, it goes away, but the framerate is lower, so the playback is *slightly* choppier, ill go with that.
                  Last edited by d-clone; 17 Jul 2002, 04:01 PM.

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                  • Enchanter
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                    • Feb 2002
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                    #10
                    Whatever works for you. I still highly recommend performing IVTC, mainly for bitrate usage efficiency.

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                    • hacker_on_fire
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                      • Mar 2002
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                      #11
                      so enchanter your saying to use ivtc instead of forced film. but they do the same thing (29.97==>23.97).
                      MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU

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                      • Enchanter
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                        • Feb 2002
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                        #12
                        Perhaps. Or perhaps not. I hardly ever tried the Forced Film feature of DVD2AVI, but the last time I tried, it converted the framerate to 24.00 fps, not 23.97 fps. To top it off, interlacing artifacts remained, where IVTC completely removed it. Hence my preference for IVTC.

                        If using Forced Film does what you want (without having to apply any deinterlacer), then Forced Film is a viable option. It was not so for me.

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                        • d-clone
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Enchanter

                          If using Forced Film does what you want (without having to apply any deinterlacer), then Forced Film is a viable option. It was not so for me.
                          Yea, Forced Film didnt work for me on an NTSC interlaced movie, i had to do IVTC. But on this FILM progressive one, it did and it converted to 23.9, im sure IVTC would have done the same thing.

                          I know IVTC looks for a pattern and takes out the interlaced frames. Forced Film didnt work last time, bc i think it just deinterlaces by squishing the frames or something, i dunno.

                          Forced film did work this time bc there was no pattern, all the frames were interlaced very slightly.

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                          • Enchanter
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                            #14
                            It's good to see that everything's working out for you anyway. Congrat's.

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                            • d-clone
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                              #15
                              thanks! you helped me out allot, i couldnt have jumped from being a n00b to making my first movies this fast without you!

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