ATI vs. Nvidia

[SKD_Tech]

Would I be better getting a AiW from ATI or getting a regular 9800 Pro then getting a capture card seperatly.

All I need is something that will capture pretty good quality.

[t3ch]

ur not smart, ur dumb

PMSL

oj

LOL

Agreed enchanter, the tv out on my r7500 is just fine.

Techno, you're using a rage 128 as your basis?!?!?! Well now everything you've been saying goes right out the window!

edit >> he posted this as I was typing.

Would I be better getting a AiW from ATI or getting a regular 9800 Pro then getting a capture card seperatly.

I already said my take on this, and I think it would be hard for someone else to argue with me. Check this card out And you're getting a 9800? ......

[SKD_Tech]

Yep I am getting a 9800 Pro.....256MB

If that doesn't work then I will shoot myself

Big
Bulky
High powered mother fu**er

Everything I could need

I am hoping it will be able to put out 1600x1200 I hate anything smaller such as 1280xXXX

Edit---> Holy **** it will put out 2048x1536

[chickeneater]

umm... al lot of cards can put our 2048x1536, it is due to the restictions of a monitor that it doesn't output that in the preferences.

ok... folks, all I have to say is compare the GeForce4 FX 5600 256MB DDR to the ATI RADEON 9700 PRO 128MB DDR Retail Box Sapphire

GeForce4 5600
and
ATI Radeon 9700 Pro

I mean, 256MB for $169 and 128MB for $325 hmmm.....

[t3ch]

Chicken, do you have any idea what you just said???

That's like saying "Lets compare the GF MX and the AiW ATi".

You pasted the PRO version of the 9700, no duh it's more expensive. Not to mention S-Media... I've never heard of them. I'd check some reviews on it.

[chickeneater]

do you have any idea what you said?

fx which is better than the ti series. it is new.
go see www.pricewatch.com under video cards

[chickeneater]

from pny:

http://www.pny.com/products/verto/geForceFx/5600agp.cfm

from ati

http://mirror.ati.com/products/pc/radeon9800pro/specs.html

$169 compared to $500???

edit: that's NOT aiw btw...

[Enchanter]

Originally posted by SKD_Tech
Yep I am getting a 9800 Pro.....256MB

If that doesn't work then I will shoot myself

I recommend you go for the Radeon 9700 Pro instead. It is considerably cheaper, still amongst the fastest chipset currently (second to the newer Radeon 9800 Pro, of course) and most importantly has the best price/performance ratio.

[Enchanter]

Originally posted by chickeneater

ok... folks, all I have to say is compare the GeForce4 FX 5600 256MB DDR to the ATI RADEON 9700 PRO 128MB DDR Retail Box Sapphire

GeForce4 5600
and
ATI Radeon 9700 Pro

I mean, 256MB for $169 and 128MB for $325 hmmm.....

Here is a good comparison chart.

As t3ch put it, the GeforceFX 5600 does not compete at the same level as the high-end Radeon 9700. It is of (much) lower performance and hence the lower price.

Another thing is that, few games require 128MB for caching, let alone 256MB. Hence the argument for the need of 256MB is moot.

The way I see it, the Radeon 9700 provides the best value for money right now. The Geforce FX series do not.

[chickeneater]

wait.... you call spending half a thousand dollars on a graphics card saving money compared to a $169 dollar graphics card that is a bit better (0.5 points for the FX 5800)???

those charts are for FPS only, not overall. I believe it that the ATI can pump out a gajillion GB/s but that is it. I would like to see a comparison of maybe quality and statistics and user reviews...

[Enchanter]

The Radeon 9700 is considerably better and faster than the Geforce 5600FX.

My point is, you were comparing prices of the two cards as if they were of the same standard and speed, and using a totally irrelevant argument:
"I mean, 256MB for $169 and 128MB for $325 hmmm....."

If SKD_Tech is indeed looking for high fps, while maintaining a reasonable budget, the Radeon 9700 delivers the performance that many frame-rate minded gamers seek. The Geforce FX 5600 will not. That is my point.

And besides, is there such a thing called Geforce FX AIW? Don't think I ever heard of one ...

Edit:

wait.... you call spending half a thousand dollars on a graphics card saving money compared to a $169 dollar graphics card that is a bit better (0.5 points for the FX 5800)???

The $169 price quote is of the Geforce FX 5600, NOT the FX 5800. Please do not be mistaken. The FX 5800 would be priced more or less the same with the Radeon 9800.

[chickeneater]

no, there is no such thing as an AiW GeForce...sorry if I got your hopes high .

the price for the ATI 9800 pro saphire etc is $508.38 + tax and shipping (it must be expensive because it is big...)
ATI sapphire 9800 pro

and the $200 less GeForce 4 FX 5800 top-of-the-line super-duper card.
yup...this is it...can't you believe this amazing deal!


I have to go to bed now if you don't mind

[Enchanter]

Attached is a benchmark comparison between the Radeon 9700, Radeon 9800 and GeforceFX 5800. I took this from a local magazine, Atomic. The chart speaks for themselves.

The price for the GeforceFX 5800 is standard to me. Your quote for the Radeon 9800 is way too expensive. Check out the Australian stores below and you will see it:
AusPC Market

Scorpion Technology

APUS Computers

no, there is no such thing as an AiW GeForce...sorry if I got your hopes high

No worries.

I know about that anyway (i.e. I was making a joke out of that statement actually).

[Enchanter]

Are ATI cards as big as chickeneater claimed?

Show me an instance where an ATI Radeon 9800 card is larger than a GeforceFX 5800. I am not an active player in this game, but I am positive that it will be hard to locate one.

Built-by ATI

Hercules 3D Prophet 9800Pro

Power Color Radeon 9800

Edit:
Here is a Radeon 9700 Pro card that uses only a heatsink for its cooling purposes. It works stably and is completely silent.

Sapphire ATI Radeon 9700Pro Ultimate Edition

[t3ch]

Jeez enchanter, I wanted to beat up on chickeneater some, but you about polished him off

A few things. On my last post, I was merely demonstrating that your comparisons were completely unrelated. Also, I hate to brake it to you, but ram != card performance.

As enchanter said, you're way overpricing.

And uh... yeah... go ATi...

edit >> oh yeah, I changed my icon and my title w00tness.