What kind of bs is this new commercial about piracy?

[vw56german]

Wow there are some very passionate debating going on here. One though came to mind for me: When I was in highschool and made a compelation cassette tape for a friend from my collection of LP's was I a pirate?

I say digital music has wrecked our sociaty!!!

(Just kidding)

[LT. Columbo]

were you wearing an eye patch?

[blutach]

I will completely ignore the last post.
While I recognize that this post is long ago dead, and has not been bumped, I thought it worthy of a follow-up to my last post. a few weeks ago the international world Court made a ruling on an extensive DRM case. In their ruling they have for the first time acted to protect the consumer's rights; finding that current DRM and the US DMCA violate international copyright standards. The ruling will essentially criminalize all DRM protection methods and will affect all of the European Union and many countries in Asia. (this ruling does not affect DVDs or future DVD related video anti-duplication use, but suggest that circumvention technology be made freely available)
The EU board of international commerce met quickly thereafter and feverishly worked to pass a new law related to this latest ruling. While this new EU law is not retroactive, and will not go into it for almost another year, when it does take effect it will nearly completely ban all DRM protected media.
This latest international ruling and the many laws that were enacted shortly thereafter has been completely ignored by the US media which is controlled by the same anti-consumer corporate giants that came up with the DRM formats in the first place.
at this point it has been suggested that those who live or travel frequently in Europe and Asia find alternatives to Microsoft WMA and Apple iPod for grants. suggestions point to services such as Emusic.com or allofMP3.com as options DRM free music downloads.
I guess this means that were in the first stages of winning this war against the corporate Devils of the US.

[RFBurns]

The industry has admitted many times before, that their efforts are to thwart piracy. That means they want to prevent someone from making a bunch of copies of something and selling it prior to its official release as well as after the release. They have also agreed to the stipulations that personal use and backup copying would be acceptable.

As far as downloading stuff, well thats a completely different issue with many factors that makes it ok, as well as making it illegal.

Example:

If some warehouse person or distributor person were to take a new movie or music CD or PC/Console game before its release date and pastes it on the internet for download, or burns off copies and sells them on the net or otherwise, that IS illegal, and so is downloading it and buying the copies.

It is that kind of piracy the industry is trying to prevent.

I do not believe that all my years of seeing the home recording issue go from the early home vinyl cutters to open reel to reel to 8-track to cassette, VHS and BETA to DAT and A-DAT and finally to recordable CD and DVD, mini-DV and 8mm Digital, that their intentions are to prevent the consumer from doing any recording or backing up of what they own all together.

[lostinlodos]

The industry has admitted many times before, that their efforts are to thwart piracy. That means they want to prevent someone from making a bunch of copies of something and selling it prior to its official release as well as after the release. They have also agreed to the stipulations that personal use and backup copying would be acceptable.

As far as downloading stuff, well thats a completely different issue with many factors that makes it ok, as well as making it illegal.

Example:

If some warehouse person or distributor person were to take a new movie or music CD or PC/Console game before its release date and pastes it on the internet for download, or burns off copies and sells them on the net or otherwise, that IS illegal, and so is downloading it and buying the copies.

It is that kind of piracy the industry is trying to prevent.

I do not believe that all my years of seeing the home recording issue go from the early home vinyl cutters to open reel to reel to 8-track to cassette, VHS and BETA to DAT and A-DAT and finally to recordable CD and DVD, mini-DV and 8mm Digital, that their intentions are to prevent the consumer from doing any recording or backing up of what they own all together.

you're missing a key factor here: this ruling and subsequent laws do not just accommodate backing up media, but eliminate digital rights management altogether. On top of that, it upholds the original wording of initial international copyright law regulations, circa 1960s. To somewhat paraphrase the original regulations that have now been reinstated, free distribution, whether public or private, is wholly within bounds of what a consumer can be expected to do after purchasing a recorded medium. Essentially, this ruling takes a very "Swedish" or "French" view regarding digital distribution which includes the right to freely distribute on the Internet. the original copyright law only band profiteering from copies of copyrighted material. This latest ruling supports the theory of FREE distribution.
One thing so many of today's consumers miss, especially those within the United States and Britain, is that the original necessity of copyright law comes from the United States. Its roots are in legal cases stemming from the turn of the 20th century regarding uncompensated sale of prior classical and Baroque works, specifically sheet music. The law was never initially intended, in the US, or the international copyright law, to ban, bar, or discourage free distribution, only to block profiting from works of others.

There are two major victories in this ruling for those who believe in free distribution: first, directly stemming from the case; all amendments, changes, or modifications to "the international copyright law" are immediately nullified: void.
Second: the EU regulation taking effect 15 January 2008 will ban all US DRM. The importation of US DRM protected material will carry severe punishments not yet determined. In an interview on IP news in the days following the ruling one of the presiding justices (I can't begin to pronounce his name so don't bother me about it) stated, according to the translation subtitles, that "freely distributing anything has never hurt any industry. That if it did,there would be no broadcast television of any type in any country anywhere in the world, that movies regularly available on television free for anybody with access to, to record an analog or digital, goes without regard, and is considered legal. That watching that recording at another location at a later point in indeterminable amount of time, is also considered legal. That to leave that recording and have it watched by others at a later indeterminable time is considered legal. That you consider those identical actions legal, but to consider transporting that recording instantaneously digitally be considered criminal is an outrageous perversion of the intentions of the law as it stood, no longer protecting commerce but banning free access."
as broken as their translation is, the message is as clear as can be. The court but behind the consumers on this occasion, correctly comparing a free transmission of a movie show book or song on the Internet to the free transmission of a movie show book or song on the TV or radio. In the final judgment which also ran on IP TV news, in court declaration that read upheld with no uncertainty that one item becomes available to any portion of the puck anywhere free of charge, that item can be distributed anywhere else, free of charge. I tip my hat and raise my glass to that panel of justices for standing up against the corporate run government of the United States and its bed partner the UK. rest in pieces, DRM/DMCA, Long live freedom!

[toomanycats]

There are many Anime' works by Hiyao Miyazaki that are only viewable in a Anim'e museum in Japan. The works are not available in any other format, period. I guess if you can't guarantee protection of your work this is the other extreme. There must be someway of providing guarantees to the artists. I think the final solution will be to sell the consumer the work, and make the consumer responsible for the conversion to what ever format the consumer wishes. If you want that sound track from a movie, you convert it. If you want that music from your CD to work in your IPOD, you convert it. If the conversion to different formats was left to the consumers then so would the control. If you buy a song for your IPOD and can't play it on your CD, too bad. Get the CD and convert it yourself, take control. I'd be pissed if I put out a song and everyone ended up with it but I didn't get my piece of the pie. How about letting everyone move into your house and eat your food, everyone has to eat, that's way more important than listening to music or watching movies. Nobody should control something so necessary, but that's life. You should have to pay in some way shape or form if you wish to own that entertainment. DVD's are so overpriced to begin with as are music CD's. If they were priced right to begin with I think there would be less pirating. There must be as with all things, a balance.

[lostinlodos]

Our band "deathly lust", formerly called "spit & deathly lust", has recently put out her third album. As with the last two, we chose an international recording company and an international publisher to put it out. Before its release date, we uploaded it to Kazaa light, sharezaa, and about two dozen bit torrent trackers. Not once has anybody heard our complain about the so-called theft. Our album cover goes as far as to state that we publicly encourage the ripping, burning, and bootlegging of any of our music, videos, Or concerts, because that's what copyright law says to do, just DON'T sell it. The piracy notion is as it always has been; complete and utter bull. if somebody likes the music, they'll buy it. Nobody will ever know about us, if they don't download our music.

I've recently posted a full unedited version of "killer typhoon sword" to a foreign tracker service for free download, with full cooperation from the studio. I starred as third bill in the opening credits on that movie. I made less than $2000 US equivalency for the role. Not once have I been heard complaining about so-called piracy. If people liked the movie, they'll buy it.

As the justices serving on the international Court panel have said following the case, in a statement that myself, as well as other in Asian music and movie talent; as well as an ever-growing group of Canadian performers called Canadians against the RIAA/MPAA; piracy has little or no effect on the industry; it's poor music and movies and horrendous marketing as well as the failure to accept the modern era that has killed the American, and only the American, music and movie industry. Even with rampant so-called piracy; movie sales in eastern Asia and Central and North Central Europe are at all-time highs. An identical upward trend is seen in those regions music production and sales. German and Swedish region bands who have always struggled are now finding profit returns at staggeringly high rates by using self publication and small size distributors, and giving their music away. The fact that we went as far as to use a Danish distributor for our latest album stems from that. With the list of artists and actors now publicly speaking out against the American music and movie industry, and an ever increasing number of lesser (B-Movie) stars now making first bill and international films shows just how fed up the vast majority of freethinkers are with American corporate devils. Our band, for one, will never release and RIAA record. We will never bow to any companie attempting to tell us that we will be barred from freely and publicly releasing her music. If the American industries want to make money, they should try doing what the rest of the world has done: higher quality talent to put out quality material.

[toomanycats]

You've got the world by the cojones. When the artists take control of their work the then all arguments are moot. It is a reflection on the Artists on how they intend their work to be enjoyed. It is plain to see that the "Pop" stars just want the big bucks. I think that should be the bottom line, what and how the artists want their work to be distributed. The technology now is taking it out of the hands of the big wigs and for the better. Good for you lostinlodos!!!

[lostinlodos]

Ahhh, crap, I didn't even notice it was you again, cats! but um, thanks, yep, er, thanks. !!!!!!