Converting WS to Standard screen?

[blutach]

If it is an anamorphic transfer, yes.

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[photo_angel2004]

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[katzdvd]

If it is an anamorphic transfer, yes.

So if it is a "standard:?" 16:9 WS, the FS conversion will appear ok, no streching?

[r0lZ]

No, of course! It is not possible to conserve the right aspect ratio when you change only the aspect ratio in the IFOs.
To force FS while keeping the correct aspect ratio, you have to leave the 16:9 param in the IFOs as it is, but clear the "automatic letterbox" flag and set the "automatic pan&scan" mode.
This way, your movie will be shown in full screen, but, of course, you will loose an important part of the image.
Take care also at the subpics. They might be too large to be shown entirely on your TV.

IMO, the best thing to do is to leave the original aspect ratio unchanged. You will probably buy a 16:9 TV soon anyway, as the production of 4:3 TVs will probably cease soon (except the very cheap or portable models.)
Here in Europe, and especially in Germany and Belgium, even the TV shows are now broadcasted in 16:9 format.

[katzdvd]

IMO, the best thing to do is to leave the original aspect ratio unchanged. You will probably buy a 16:9 TV soon anyway, as the production of 4:3 TVs will probably cease soon (except the very cheap or portable models.)

I understand what you are saying, but I will most likely not buy a WS until I cannot get a "square" 4:3 set anymore!

I just don't get all the hype with the Widescreen format; I know this has been mentioned on here before, but my "flame" has been rekindled! When I saw this thread, I thought that this might be a viable option for being able to watch the movies in Fullscreen, but looks like I was incorrect in that...

A majority of the movies I see on friends' widescreen tv's still have the black bars on top/bottom. For someone from my generation that is used to watching a complete picture, nothing is more annoying than that. It's like I always say; I paid for a full screen, so I want to be able to watch a full screen, NO BLACK BARS!!!

If WS movies don't even fill up WS TV, what's the point of having a WS TV at all?!?
What's worse, you can't get away from it; Commercials, Documentaries, even Video Games?!? are in the WS format.

<B>@ PA, very sorry for jumping in on your thread with the rant, I just had to get this off my chest!</B>

regards, katz

[blutach]

Apologies all and thanks to r0lZ

First post edited to show correct info.

Regards

[katzdvd]

No apologies necessary blu, this has been a very good learning experience! Plus, you aren't the one "we're" mad at - you didn't invent "Widescreen" ! lol
(Did you)? lol

[r0lZ]

katzdvd, the 16:9 movies with black bars you've seen are probably CinemaScope films, where the format is wider than 16:9. Pan&scanning them to fit a 4:3 screen means that you will loose more than 1/2 of the picture. Is it really what you want? (BTW, the trick explained in this thread will NOT remove the black borders completely on such films.)

Also, don't forget that a 16:9 DVD gives you a much better resolution when you watch it on a 16:9 TV. On a 4:3 TV, you have to zoom in the image and loose a big part and reduce the resolution, or the player must add black borders, thus reducing also the resolution of the real image.

Anyway, movies are movies, and butchering them to display them on TV is a nonsense. It is a fact that a modern movie is better watched on a 16:9 TV. If you want to see it full screen, go to the movie, or buy a 16:9 TV.

[blutach]

And sorry katz, I love widescreen TV, too. So put me in that corner with r0lZ and lotsa other people.

Each to their own, though.

Regards

[r0lZ]

It's strange that this resistance to widescreen TV is present only in the USA (with some exceptions, as always.) Hence those hideous dual AR DVDs, with very low bitrate, available almost only in the US market.
However, the widescreen (as well as CinemaScope) formats were invented in the US! That's a total contradiction. I'm puzzled.

[LT. Columbo]

i can't stand anything in full screen. everything should be in WS IMO, no matter what TV. sesame street ought to be in WS.

[katzdvd]

katzdvd, the 16:9 movies with black bars you've seen are probably CinemaScope films, where the format is wider than 16:9. Pan&scanning them to fit a 4:3 screen means that you will loose more than 1/2 of the picture.

I may be wrong, but I don't believe I have viewed any WS movie on a friends' WS TV that didn't have the black horizontal bars at the top/bottom.

No, I definantly don't like Pan & Scan, but what's the difference?!? If I lose the top/bottom of the screen, I still feel the same way.

If I could get a WS movie to completely fill a WS TV, I may not have so much resistance to it. And, I'm not alone in feeling this way. A good many of my friends are anti - WS too, for this reason! .

It is a format that I reckon' I will never completely warm up to; I guess watching movies pre-WS, (up until the mid to late 80's or so) everything looked okay; If things were missing from the "sides", & I didn't know it 'cause I could'nt see it missing, I guess it didn't bother me...but I can see the top/bottom portion of the screen missing, & that Does bother me!

Apparently I am not alone in thinking this way on here either, judging from the number of threads devoted to this subject on here & in other forums!

Can't teach old dog new tricks-

[soup]

I have to admit a little while ago, I couldn't stand watching movies in WS. I would always zoom but I have come around & can enjoy a movie whichever way it is presented. I guess because of that, TV doesn't bother me at all, in fact I never really pay attention anymore just watch & hopefully be entertained. The missus hates the crap out of it though, got to be full screen.

[blutach]

Turn down the lights, close the curtains and door and you'll never notice the "bars". But you will still see the whole of the movie and things on the sides won't be cut out.

And I couldn't agree more with r0lZ about these dual aspect ratio movies we see in the US. What is happening is that you are getting low bit rate (ie crap quality) features so as to fit both versions in. Couple that with NTSC and I shudder.

Regards

[Chewy]

I watch wide screen movies on a square tv, I abhor the full screen versions, at first my toshiba dvd player's 1st zoom setting got used a lot as it would remove half of the black bars without losing much of the sides, lately I don't
even remember to change it all the time.