Burning Copies of Copies

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  • slashdot
    Junior Member
    Junior Member
    • Mar 2005
    • 18

    #16
    Originally posted by Experi-Mentor
    my method (which has never failed me), is to rip/backup the copy i made to the hdd only. if that fails, then you can assume that it was a bad burn, then you can narrow it down to the blank media being inferior (not holding data well), compatibility problem between burner & blanks, or something simple as burning at a lower speed (try 2x or 4x)
    I usually use Memorex or Fujifilm media with my burner. I don't know if that is the most compatible with my burner, but I have an off brand burner...and I refuse to use the same off brand media!

    I had not even tried burning at a slower speed. I usually use 8X media...I will see what happens when I slow it down to 2X or 4X. Thanks for that info. I keep forgetting the days when I first started burning CD's and had to do some of these same things!

    Since I am still a bit of a n00b at burning movies (only had my burner for about 2 months now), I would assume that this is something that I will work out over time. I'm truly thinking the problem lies with something I was doing wrong when I first started burning movies. I still have yet to figure out what it was...but maybe I will someday!

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    • tigerman8u
      Lord of Digital Video
      Lord of Digital Video
      • Aug 2003
      • 2122

      #17
      You can try Vstrip. Not the easiest tool to use but has worked for me when shrink and decrypter failed on copied dvd's. It literally rips the dvd sector by sector. www.doom9.org has a good guide on how to use Vstrip.

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      • slashdot
        Junior Member
        Junior Member
        • Mar 2005
        • 18

        #18
        Originally posted by tigerman8u
        You can try Vstrip. Not the easiest tool to use but has worked for me when shrink and decrypter failed on copied dvd's. It literally rips the dvd sector by sector. www.doom9.org has a good guide on how to use Vstrip.
        Oh wow...thank you much! I will def try that out.

        I'll let you know the results!

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        • amaru
          Junior Member
          Junior Member
          • Jan 2004
          • 40

          #19
          Don't ever try on the fly copying. It is just a coaster waiting to happen.
          i've done SEVERAL using nero, liteon to read and pioneer to burn, usually at 12x, and only coaster when i have a bad source.
          P4 3.0 @ 3.6
          PC3200 Corsair Value Select OC'd
          to 240

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          • jm1647
            An Eagles Fan, A MenuShrinker
            • Apr 2005
            • 3661

            #20
            If your getting CRC errors try dvd decrypter and see

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            • GiantWaffle
              Junior Member
              Junior Member
              • Aug 2005
              • 5

              #21
              Originally Posted by blutach

              Don't ever try on the fly copying. It is just a coaster waiting to happen.

              ROTFLMAO !
              <rotflmao !="">
              That was good. </rotflmao>

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              • VinceUTAH
                Junior Member
                Junior Member
                • Jul 2005
                • 27

                #22
                On the fly copying is no problem as long as the two drives are not master and slave on the same line.

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                • sparkyspark
                  Junior Member
                  Junior Member
                  • Jul 2005
                  • 15

                  #23
                  Copying Copies

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                  Sugest you try your Dvd with Nero CD-DVD Speed for mastering errors first, download free diagnostic tool at http://www.cdspeed2000.com/
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                  • phoenix
                    Member
                    Member
                    • Aug 2005
                    • 85

                    #24
                    Originally Posted by VinceUTAH
                    On the fly copying is no problem as long as the two drives are not master and slave on the same line.
                    I don't agree.

                    I have my Plextor burner set as master and my Sony reader as slave and I have not faced any problems with this setup.

                    We are dealing with rather slow speeds, so I shouldn't be a problem as long as both is running in DMA mode.
                    The Phoenix bird builds its nest which at the same time is its funeral pyre, and then setting it alight cremates itself. But it arises anew from the ashes transformed.

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                    • Chewy
                      Super Moderator
                      • Nov 2003
                      • 18971

                      #25
                      Even 4x is 5MB/s, and that's pushing the envelope where drives cache is so
                      small and the drives are sharing an ide cable. I have never gotten a copy on the fly
                      8x burn to work as fast as just an 8x burn FROM HARD DRIVE. ALL MY DRIVES ARE STANDALONE MASTERS!
                      I did have a coaster this last year with good media, source disk had a fingerprint.

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                      • blutach
                        Not a god of digital video
                        • Oct 2004
                        • 24627

                        #26
                        I do think OTF copying is a risk folks. But it's your media and time

                        Regards
                        Les

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                        • LT. Columbo
                          Demigod of Digital Video
                          • Nov 2004
                          • 10671

                          #27
                          it's down right crazy is what it is......
                          "One day men will look back and say I gave birth to the 20th Century". Jack The Ripper - 1888
                          Columbo moments...
                          "Double Shock" "The Greenhouse Jungle" "Swan Song" FORUM RULES
                          "You try to contrive a perfect alibi, and it's your perfect alibi that's gonna hang ya."
                          (An Exercise In Fatality, 1974)


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                          • tigerman8u
                            Lord of Digital Video
                            Lord of Digital Video
                            • Aug 2003
                            • 2122

                            #28
                            if you're gone to do a one to one copy let your software cache the file/s to your hard drive 1st

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                            • Chewy
                              Super Moderator
                              • Nov 2003
                              • 18971

                              #29
                              I have done an exhaustive study on this today with 4 boxes, each point of view in
                              this discussion has merits. Problematic movies, media, and software seem to be
                              the primary cause of coasters. A good movie processed with shrink3.2 and burned
                              with good media at slow speed(4x) yields a 100% success rate for Copying on the fly.

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                              • LT. Columbo
                                Demigod of Digital Video
                                • Nov 2004
                                • 10671

                                #30
                                after 100 copies with the criteria you mention using OTF, let us know the % of success.
                                "One day men will look back and say I gave birth to the 20th Century". Jack The Ripper - 1888
                                Columbo moments...
                                "Double Shock" "The Greenhouse Jungle" "Swan Song" FORUM RULES
                                "You try to contrive a perfect alibi, and it's your perfect alibi that's gonna hang ya."
                                (An Exercise In Fatality, 1974)


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