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  • BR7
    He is coming to your little town!
    • Aug 2005
    • 2137

    #61
    With AQE I don't think so, I have messed with this series a lot with QuEnc with QLB Matrix and filters and HC couldn't come close with out the use of filters and the use of dgdecodes deblock and same went for AQE and the quality still wasn't good enough.With procoder all I used was removegrain sse3 mode=2 because this series needs it, and procoder can get it done faster then the other 3 encoders as for the Halos I could always us one of theses three methods to remove it DeHalo_alpha,TBilateral or VagueDenoiser(I am not that familiar with Vague) . I am not saying it's impossible with AQE but I know it can't be done with out the help of at least 3-5 filters which will slow you down more.Maybe some one with more experience will prove me wrong and that's fine with me I will learn something new I can only go by my own experience with this series and encoders
    Last edited by BR7; 22 Sep 2006, 05:23 PM.

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    • techreactor
      Banned
      • Jul 2005
      • 1309

      #62
      Originally Posted by BR7
      With AQE I don't think so, I have messed with this series a lot with QuEnc with QLB Matrix and filters and HC couldn't come close with out the use of filters and the use of dgdecodes deblock and same went for AQE and the quality still wasn't good enough.With procoder all I used was removegrain sse3 mode=2 because this series needs it, and procoder can get it done faster then the other 3 encoders as for the Halos I could always us one of theses three methods to remove it DeHalo_alpha,TBilateral or VagueDenoiser(I am not that familiar with Vague) . I am not saying it's impossible with AQE but I know it can't be done with out the help of at least 3-5 filters which will slow you down more.Maybe some one with more experience will prove me wrong and that's fine with me I will learn something new I can only go by my own experience with this series and encoders
      I cant comment on these and as I always say quality is also a personal preference.

      Dehalo_alpha slows you down quite a bit, but I guess not many ppl know that spline resizers are natural dehaloers and sharpener.

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      • BR7
        He is coming to your little town!
        • Aug 2005
        • 2137

        #63
        spline resizers
        I don't really need it, on my pc you can't see the halo unless you zoom in and I have an S-Video cable hooked from my pc to tv and it's not noticeable at all but if I had an HDTV then it would probably be a different story

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        • techreactor
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          • Jul 2005
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          #64
          Originally Posted by BR7
          I don't really need it, on my pc you can't see the halo unless you zoom in and I have an S-Video cable hooked from my pc to tv and it's not noticeable at all but if I had an HDTV then it would probably be a different story
          I was making a general comment, not specific to your encode

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          • rahzel
            just farted
            • Aug 2004
            • 314

            #65
            after i played around with PC2 more, i've decided to go back to my original favorite (CCE). i've now tried all the encoders, except QuEnc and i've always went back to CCE. with lower bitrates, PC2 was better, but using the AVAMAT7 (or AutoQ2) matrix with CCE, its an excellent combo for lower bitrate encodes, as the avamat7 matrix is great for removing blocking and noise.

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            • BR7
              He is coming to your little town!
              • Aug 2005
              • 2137

              #66
              Thanks for brining up AVAMAT7 this is the first I have heard of it, I will look in to it and give it a try

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              • TastyNutz
                Junior Member
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                • Aug 2006
                • 32

                #67
                Are all you guys using multiple encoder processes to let you get 28fps?

                Using Procoder2 set to Mastering Quality on my P4 3.06ghz I only get about half that.

                A recent M*A*S*H episode disk:

                -- Processed 282,492 frames.
                -- Building .AVS and .ECL files
                - Reduction Level for DVD-5: 57.1%
                - Overall Bitrate : 3,305/2,644Kbs
                - Space for Video : 3,803,330KB
                - HIGH/LOW/TYPICAL Bitrates: 3,513/1,178/2,644 Kbs

                ...

                - Phase II ENCODING completed in 338 minutes.
                Dell Inspiron 5150, 3.06 Ghz, 1 Gb RAM, 40 Gb system HDD, 100 Gb external USB, WinXP Home SP2, NEC ND-6650A, Epson R-200.

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                • blutach
                  Not a god of digital video
                  • Oct 2004
                  • 24627

                  #68
                  Yup Mastering quality, multiple processes, I get 30 fps on a PAL DVD (20% faster than real time). Athlon X2 3800 O/C'ed to 2500Mhz.

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                  • TastyNutz
                    Junior Member
                    Junior Member
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 32

                    #69
                    Will multiple processes make a difference with my single core, non-HTing CPU? It will run multiples. Ive tried it. But I've never done a complete WITH vs. WITHOUT comparison.

                    Maybe I'll do a test tonight. and rerun the M*A*S*H disk with multiple processes.
                    Dell Inspiron 5150, 3.06 Ghz, 1 Gb RAM, 40 Gb system HDD, 100 Gb external USB, WinXP Home SP2, NEC ND-6650A, Epson R-200.

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                    • jdobbs
                      Digital Video Enthusiast
                      Digital Video Enthusiast
                      • Sep 2004
                      • 324

                      #70
                      If your processor doesn't run at 100% when running only one process, it might show an increase by executing two.

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                      • mill
                        Im Off To See The Wizard
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 1105

                        #71
                        I did a movie lastnight using multiable encoder processes ,traning day, movie only, from shrink no compression. 82 min, both processors at 100%, Athlon3800 X2, It was great.
                        Last edited by mill; 8 Oct 2006, 01:37 AM.
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                        • chris_j11
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                          • Jan 2003
                          • 25

                          #72
                          [Options]
                          Delay=0
                          Pause=10
                          Priority=0
                          Minimize=1
                          NoPathWarn=0
                          Procoder=C:\Program Files\Canopus\ProCoder 2\Procoder2.exe
                          [Quality]
                          Quality=4
                          AlwaysGOP15=1
                          AutoParameters=1
                          [Debug]
                          StrictGOPBrateControl=0
                          Legacy=0


                          Just wondering what is the purpose/benefit of the info above and can someone please explain how/where to enter it (stepbystep-please)
                          i do have procoder 2

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                          • techreactor
                            Banned
                            • Jul 2005
                            • 1309

                            #73
                            Originally Posted by chris_j11
                            [Options]
                            Delay=0
                            Pause=10
                            Priority=0
                            Minimize=1
                            NoPathWarn=0
                            Procoder=C:\Program Files\Canopus\ProCoder 2\Procoder2.exe
                            [Quality]
                            Quality=4
                            AlwaysGOP15=1
                            AutoParameters=1
                            [Debug]
                            StrictGOPBrateControl=0
                            Legacy=0


                            Just wondering what is the purpose/benefit of the info above and can someone please explain how/where to enter it (stepbystep-please)
                            i do have procoder 2
                            Use the GUI menu options, they change most of the settings as you see in the ini file. They are self descriptive and easier to manage.

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                            • BR7
                              He is coming to your little town!
                              • Aug 2005
                              • 2137

                              #74
                              Originally Posted by chris_j11
                              [Options]
                              Delay=0
                              Pause=10
                              Priority=0
                              Minimize=1
                              NoPathWarn=0
                              Procoder=C:\Program Files\Canopus\ProCoder 2\Procoder2.exe
                              [Quality]
                              Quality=4
                              AlwaysGOP15=1
                              AutoParameters=1
                              [Debug]
                              StrictGOPBrateControl=0
                              Legacy=0


                              Just wondering what is the purpose/benefit of the info above and can someone please explain how/where to enter it (stepbystep-please)
                              i do have procoder 2
                              I agree with tech you can find your settings in images below
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                              • jdobbs
                                Digital Video Enthusiast
                                Digital Video Enthusiast
                                • Sep 2004
                                • 324

                                #75
                                @chris_j11

                                That INI file is created and used by ECLPRO. ECLPRO was written by Robot1 as a way to enable the passing of parameter to ProCoder. It reads a CCE style ECL file -- interprets it -- and then sets those parameters in ProCoder via simulated mouse and keyboard events.

                                That INI file holds the path to ProCoder.exe (so ECLPRO can find it), and some other paramaters that you set up the first time you ran ECLPRO. If you delete that INI file, the next time you run ECLPRO it will assume it is the first time -- and ask you to set the parameters again.

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