Surround Sound Vcd's

[tunnlrat]

Ummmmmm.... Maybe this is a dumb question. But how do I figure out what the audio is encoded at??? when I look at the properties of the file it doesn't say if the sound is ac3 or not?? do i have to just test it on a dvd player to see????

[tunnlrat]

Well I did exactly as FluFFButt instructed using dvddecrypter and dvdx to encode and I get 2 channels 16bit sound not ac3 sound so his way sucks, there must be another way to encoded to vcd and keep the 5 channel ac3 sound

[tunnlrat]

okay Okay I know it seems like I am talking to myself I seem to be the only one puttint any posts in here. This is me new problem i can now encode an Mpeg1 Vcd with 5channel Ac3 sound, but nero will not burn it, it says it has detected and unsupported audio stream for a vcd/svcd, is there a different program that will burn it?? or should I just give up

[setarip]

To tunnlrat

In NERO, after you've selected the "VCD" icon, under the "VCD" tab, UNcheck "Create standard compliant VCDs"...

[tunnlrat]

Giving up

I tried, I tried I tried I tried

No matter how much I tried with every program I can find, I cannot make a vcd with ac3 sound, So fluffbutt whever you are, you must be a god.
I officially give up.
If there is anyone out there that knows how Please please PLEASE make me a how to guide. I would be in your debt forever

[setarip]

To tunnlrat

Perhaps now you can understand why I asked of "Fluffbutt":

"Would you be good enough to play one of your burned VCDs in Windows Media Player v.6.4 on your PC?

While it's playing, rightclick in the middle of the image and select "Properties". Then click on the "Advanced" tab. Select the "MPEG audio decoder" (or similar) - and post here which audio decoder it is using and what the settings are for the audio decoder..."


The conversion software he/she used undoubtedly downmixed the .AC3 to MPEG stereo.

I won't say I told you so, but...

[tunnlrat]

Now I understand why I am just a Junior member and you are what you are

Anyway I did learn a few things I my wild goose chase hehe

If I ever do find a way I will be sure to let you know

[setarip]

"If I ever do find a way I will be sure to let you know"

By all means, do so ;>}

[Fluffbutt]

Sorry guys, I haven't 'taken off' of you - just busy on other things, and pulling apart my vobs/mpegs to see how the ac3 works.

Didn't have media player on the 'puter (took it out ages ago, had to find all the bits again...).

Media player lists mpeg encoder for video and fraunhoffer (spelling??) for the audio (I installed the freebie dvd codec players ages ago....).

Media player does not seem to play surround... the rear speakers are the same sound as the front, yet on my standalone dvd the rear speakers give different sounds to the fronts, and a surround test (the dolby helicopter scene) gives the heli going around me... maybe I just have a wierdo dvd player?????

I'll play some more and let you know. Actually this might also explain why my re-encodes are so big...3 cd's worth for some movies.. even the helicopter takes 1/4 a cd or so.. i'll keep playing...

[setarip]

"Media player lists mpeg encoder for video and fraunhoffer (spelling??) for the audio (I installed the freebie dvd codec players ages ago....)."


The audio is in .MP3 format (The Fraunhoefer codec is an .MP3-only codec), and not .AC3...

[tunnlrat]

Nice and All

Its nice and all that you replied and told us alllll about how your vcd's seem to work as surround sound, but I believe the real issue and the real question is HOW DID YOU DO IT. I don't know about anyone else, but it just seems like you are beating around the bush. If you don't know thats fine then just say so.

[Fluffbutt]

Originally posted by setarip
"Media player lists mpeg encoder for video and fraunhoffer (spelling??) for the audio (I installed the freebie dvd codec players ages ago....)."


The audio is in .MP3 format (The Fraunhoefer codec is an .MP3-only codec), and not .AC3...

When I play DVD, real ones, it uses the Fraunhoefer codec, so it must be a surround-to-stereo conversion as well.

tunnlrat - i'm happy to admit I don't know HOW it happened - I'm not that well up on all the techy details on conversions and ripping.

All I know is this - I just played about with dvdx, got it to do a conversion at about 9 frames a sec, had a file at the end which I burnt with nero. It plays in stereo with fake surround in the computer, but plays in 5.1 (ahh not too sure about the woofer sound tho sorry.. have to check (forgot to check that speaker..) on my standalone tv dvd player. I know it's 5.1 'cos i can track the dolby helicopter with my hearing, and Knights Tale copy has the joust scenes with people cheering and talking from rear left/right speakers.

I'm not trying to bull**** anyone (why would I?)...

[setarip]

I stand corrected - a little further research discloses that Fraunofer apparently also make s both an MPEG-2 video codec and an MPEG-2 audio codec...

[UncasMS]

@ tunnelrat

dvd2svcd will be able to convert from vob to either vcd or svcd AND can output the audio stream to 5.1 as well.

maybe you should give it a try and see if your standalone player will accept the vcd/svcd with 5.1 sound.

[Tec]

Hi all.
Just looked into TMPGEnc's MUX section. It is able to MUX AC3 audio streams. Haven't tried it yet, dunno if it helps, just thought I'd mention it.