best low-bitrate/VBR mpeg-2 encoder

[ZZ-Diego]

Hi friends ,

I am still quite happy with Tmpgenc Plus and its CBR mpeg-2 quality but for VBR and very low bitrates i found out, it does not give me the desired sharpness anymore. What is your encoder recommendation for low bitrates with the following specs: max.1600kbps VBR / min 800kbps?

- Canopus ProCoder
- Cinemacraft encoder
- Mainconcept encoder
- Tmpgenc family (Xpress/Plus)

thanks

Diego

[blutach]

Procoder 2 is magnificent but pricey.

CCE is rubbish IMHO

HCEnc, while not on your list is also very good. Perhaps best is to grab a low BR matrix and use it as your matrix for whatever encoder you pick.

Regards

[UncasMS]

cce wouldnt be a good choice with low/very low bitrates

i used procoder for quite a while now and i consider it the best choice

[techreactor]

Procoder 2 is magnificent but pricey.

CCE is rubbish IMHO

HCEnc, while not on your list is also very good. Perhaps best is to grab a low BR matrix and use it as your matrix for whatever encoder you pick.

Regards

Can you suggest some low BR matrices available in HCEnc, blu ??

[blutach]

You might try the Angel Best Very Low - get it from Rockas Matrix package on the DVD Rebuilder site.

EDIT: Here 'tis

08 16 19 22 26 27 99 99
16 16 22 24 27 29 99 99
19 22 26 27 29 34 99 99
22 22 26 27 29 34 99 99
22 26 27 29 32 35 99 99
26 27 29 32 35 40 99 99
26 27 29 34 38 99 99 99
27 29 35 38 99 99 99 99
16 17 18 19 20 21 99 99
17 18 19 20 21 22 99 99
18 19 20 21 22 23 99 99
19 20 21 22 23 24 99 99
20 21 22 23 25 26 99 99
21 22 23 24 26 99 99 99
22 23 24 26 99 99 99 99
23 24 25 99 99 99 99 99

It'll be quite blocky in parts and not sharp at all in others.

Regards

[techreactor]

Hey blu, I think i was not clear in my question earlier, so let me rephrase it.

Can you suggest a low bitrate matrix with decent output quality (no blocks etc). ???

[blutach]

No.

Why do you think we strive for higher BR?

Regards

[techreactor]

ha ha ha , you got me right here.

[anonymez]

max.1600kbps VBR / min 800kbps?

*gasp*

surely none of us goes so low with mpeg2? only thing acceptable at that br imho is mpeg4 avc!

[blutach]

It's really SVHS or MPEG1 territory, isn't it?

Regards

[ZZ-Diego]

You´re right, Blu.

See, 1/4D1 is still my favourite encoding technic handling dvd videos.A video (90min) encoded with 1300kbps CBR in TMPGenc shows more than acceptable quality cause its not transcoded to mpeg-1.
Such a video has a 1,GB size and muxing a 224kbps encoded 5.1 audio stream to it (approx.150mb) is big audio fun.But TMPGenc shows weakness with low VBR and i´d like to put four films (my personal challenge ) on a dvd so i need to swap to VBR.Thats why i was asking for a better low VBR encoder.

-btw. three dvds on a single layer dvd is no problem anymore -

So the problem is:
How to reduce size of the mpeg-2 1/4 encoded video stream?! Reducing framerate?
I can´t change the video resolution without loosing dvd player specs compatibility. The 224kbps 5.1 audio is on its lowest point and still ok for listening.And 1300kbps is the lowest point for CBR 1/4D1 encoding...

any more ideas?

[blutach]

Yeah - good blanks are 30 cents each. Buy more and stop hitting yer head against a brick wall.

Regards

[anonymez]

Reducing framerate?

good god no! that's unspeakable

buy more blanks or get a HTPC

[ZZ-Diego]

i know what y´budds mean. But think about a rainy and ugly dark day...laying in a warm bed with a beautiful woman and watching dvd the whole day .Do you really want to stand up in this lovely appointment and change dvd´s ?


btw. are there any woman here having fun watching 11hours LOTR without getting the nuts by wasting so much time in front of the tv ?

[techreactor]

i know what y´budds mean. But think about a rainy and ugly dark day...laying in a warm bed with a beautiful woman and watching dvd the whole day .

Huh!!! "Watching DVD", Is everything alright , I would have much to do than watch DVD's at that time