Why Are Cartoons So Difficult To Encode?

[Enchanter]

I suggest you give GordianKnot a try. All you need to do is open the .d2v file, let it auto-crop the black bars, auto-resize to a resolution you want while keeping the aspect ratio, and also automatically apply Smart Deinterlacer on the video. I'm sure you will be happier with it.

[HaBo]

i have the same problem. i get lines in my picture
i have NTSC, Interlace, 29.970 fps, 16:9 dvds. they are from Malaysia, I baught many movies there that i want to convert to divx.

but i get this problem all the time. ive tried forced film, deinterlace, inverse telecine, ive even tried other programs such as neodivx, easydivx. nothing works. ive done 2 perfect rips so far, and ive tried about 20-30 times. it takes too long time to experiment your way to success, can anyone help me?

[Enchanter]

but i get this problem all the time. ive tried forced film, deinterlace, inverse telecine, ive even tried other programs such as neodivx, easydivx.

What other programs did you try? have you given GordianKnot a try? In my experience, it is very good at removing interlace artifacts and gracefully too.

[HaBo]

i tried easydivx, neodivx.
yes ive tried gordianknot. how do i remove interlaced artifacts? im going crazy over here :/
i did Lord of the rings last night, used Inverse Telecine. It took me more than 10 hours to make the movie. But it came out with no stripes in the picture, looks good, BUT it was cut off at 2h41m. I dont get it, I made the movie to be 700mb, because i want to fit it on 1 cd. maybe thats why? the bitrate may been too low? is this a way to get around interlaced movies? to use inverse telecine? because like i said i didnt get any stripes in my picture, however it took me very long time to make the movie.
im on a amd t-bird 900mhz 256mb sdram, windows ME. if that could be of any useful information.
sofar ive done 2 excelent rips, Double Take and 40 days and 40 nights. I think they were NTSC 4:3 interlaced.
all my movies are NTSC, either 16:9 or 4:3. I think they all are interlaced. plz i need some help here

[Enchanter]

I've never tried EasyDivX nor NeoDivX, but I'm very positive GK is superior to either of those two. Hence, I recommend that you keep using GK and try to solve the problem of the video being prematurely cut off (which seems to be the only problem for you).

When automatic conversion does not work out the way you want it to be, it's better to work manually then: Use GordianKnot to take care of all the usual necessary tasks (cropping, resizing, IVTC, etc.) and create the AVS (Avisynth Script) file. Load the AVS file into Virtualdub, check that the play length is right (via File Information), configure the codec and Virtualdub, and start your encoding. If the play length does not turn out to be right, the first suspected culprit would be the D2V (DVD2AVI Project) file. Recreating the said file and making sure that all the VOB files are included should solve it.

[gianscanu]

OK! A new instalment of the story.
Yesterday I did the banalest thing I could do: I recorded a ripped and DiVx converted chapter of Monsters & Co. and tried to play it in my brother's PC.
There it looks perfect!
If I play it in my own PC I always get the usual damned lines.
I suspect it is not a problem with interlacing (it is far different from the typical shots of interlace artifacts I could see in the Internet).
I think it is a problem with my video card (I have a similar looking problem while playing Age of Empires).

Bye

[Enchanter]

Originally posted by gianscanu
OK! A new instalment of the story.
Yesterday I did the banalest thing I could do: I recorded a ripped and DiVx converted chapter of Monsters & Co. and tried to play it in my brother's PC.
There it looks perfect!
If I play it in my own PC I always get the usual damned lines.
I suspect it is not a problem with interlacing (it is far different from the typical shots of interlace artifacts I could see in the Internet).
I think it is a problem with my video card (I have a similar looking problem while playing Age of Empires).

Bye

What exactly do you mean by 'record'? Did you make a new, identical copy of the DivX file, or did you make a capture of that show and compressed it in DivX?

[gianscanu]

Some more details:

I ripped the DVD, took just one VOB file (to speed up operation), converted it to DivX with Gordian Knot and then burned the file on a CD.
When I tried to play it in my players I always got the usual problem.
Then I played the same CD in my brother's PC without any problem.
Later I ripped, converted and burned the whole DVD getting the same results.

Thanks

Bye

[Enchanter]

That does sound like the problem lies solely in your system, not the rip. I've not experienced anything like this before (a video card creating interlaces by itself), so I can't offer much help. Probably you can have a look into your video card setting and see if any strange settings have been created.

[gianscanu]

I don't think it is some setting of the card: I have a double boot system, Windows ME and Windows XP.
I get the same problems when I play DivX files both in ME and XP: I suspect some kind of hardware problem which becomes visible when some bidimensional DirectX function is activated (very, very vague, I know )).

Bye

[Enchanter]

Can you post the specs of both your system and your brother's? That way it's easier to see the situation.

[khp]

Check if your graphics card shares an IRQ with any other device.

[gianscanu]

Some more information.
First of all my video card does not shares its IRQ (9) with any other device.
My configuration is as follows:

MB Asus A7V266E Raid 1010 BIOS
CPU Athlon XP 1700+
2x256 Mbyte DDR 333 Kingmax 2.2.2 7 ns
CPU cooler Alpha PAL 8045
CPU fan Delta FFB0812EHE
2 HDD IBM 75GXP DTLA307030 ATA 100 30 GB (RAID 0)
FDD NEC 1.44 Mbyte 3.5"
DVD Reader Philips PC424D (RPC1)
DVD Reader Toshiba SDM 1502
CD Writer Lite-on 40125S fw zs0a
Video Card Inno3D Tornado GeForce 4 Ti 4600 128 Mb DDR
Audio Card Creative Live! Platinum
Audio Card Terratec DMX 24/96
Modem U.S. Robotics 56k Faxmodem
Monitor Philips 109B
Printer HP 970 Cxi
Scanner Canon FB1210U
Mouse Logitech I-feel
Keyboard Microsoft Natural Keyboard Pro
Joystick Microsoft Sidewinder Precision Pro
Joypad Sidewinder Freestyle Pro
USB Hub Trust 7 ports
Power supply Enermax EG465-PVE 431W
Case Full Tower Yeong Yang YY1240 double fan
Loudspeaker System Trust Hercules
OS Windows XP Home - Windows ME (double booth)

My brother has a Asus K7V with Athlon slot A processor 700 MHz and ATI all in one wonder video card (video chip should be rage 128, but I'm not sure).

Yesterday I tried a DivX (Star wars ep. 2) borrowed to my brother from a friend of his: he can see it perfectly, I have the usual problem.
So I definitely think the problem is not with my rip.

One more thing: I'm not sure the problem is with interlacing.
I've seen some pictures of intelace artifacts on the Internet and they look far different from what I get.
I do not see the effect due to shifted half-frames, I see rare orizontal lines (6 or 7 on all the height of the screen) whose length is about 1/6 of the screen width.
It looks like a part of an horizontal line of the frame is "copied" and "pasted" over the same frame line shifted about 1/3 of screen left.

I tried to capture some image, but I am not able to activate the capture function of win DVD while playing DivX.

bye

[Enchanter]

I'm not exactly sure what's causing it, but it never hurts to try out things:
1. Reinstall DirectX and Detonator
2. Ensure that your monitor is properly and tightly plugged to the video card
3. Check your BIOS for any strange video settings. Ensure that the AGP Aperture is reasonably large (32MB+), and such. If necessary and if you don't mind, you can reset the motherboard BIOS to the safe/stable default and see how things go

[gianscanu]

Back again!
The story is not finished yet: I changed my "old" GeForce4 Ti4600 with a brand new Hercules 9700 pro and the problem is still there, both in Windows ME and Windows XP!
AGP aperture is 128 Mbytes.
The problem presents only when I playback DivX files, other AVI files don't give any problem.

OK! In a few weeks I will try DirectX 9. Will it help?


Bye