Trying to backup a flipper to DVD+R DL while retaining menus

[r0lZ]

If you keep everything in the original DVD (and therefore keep exactly the same structure), nothing must be adapted. But if you redo a new DVD from scratch, with just the main title and the menu, you have to fix almost everything.

Anyway, in this case, there is no need to use the method explained in the guide, as you have already everything in place. You don't have to shrink the main movie separately and reimport it later, as you can shrink the whole DVD at once, if you remove the useless extras and menus first. Furthermore, in this case, if you remove the useless menu cells (for example the bonus menu in the main menu) or convert it to still images with MenuShrink, it is even possible that you don't need DVDShrink at all.

Note also that it is possible to reimport a reauthored title in the DVD with the Replace VTST Title function of PgcEdit. It's fast and easy. There is however one important limitation with this method: the VTST must have only one title, because it is not possible to reauthor several titles with DVDShrink without splitting them in several titlesets.

[rdkapp]

OK r0lZ, all Titles, but Title 1, have been blanked out. This includes Titles 2 - 16. With each Title that I deleted, PgcEdit asked me if I wanted to overwrite the existing backup. I said "yes," but then I started thinking that I was overwriting the incremental backup. I hope I was supposed to say "yes."

Also, when I was finished and saved the DVD, it asked me if I wanted to "rebuild the time maps." Since it said that it could be done later with PgcEdit or VobBlanker, I said "No." I wish I understood exactly what "rebuild time maps" meant. If I knew, I think I'd be less apprehensive when I get that notice. Can you help me understand what that is and when it's necessary and when it's not?

In any event, I've left the Menu domains alone, per your instructions, and I'm ready to move on to blanking the menu domains, but I have a specific question first:

"VMGM ,LU1(en),3" contains both the FBI warnings, as well as the studio logo (Miramax splash screen). I've seen in VobBlanker, the ability to cut/blank the FBI warnings while keeping the studio logo. This is what I'd like to do with this DVD. Can I do that in PgcEdit?

[r0lZ]

When blanking a titleset, the VOB file(s) should be moved in the backup folder. Normally, you should do it, unless the files are already present in the backup folder. Anyway, that's not really important, but do another incremental backup now.

The time map of a title is needed to inform the player where it should jump in the VOB file to go to a particular time. It is needed when you use the timeline of a software player, or the goto time function of an hardware player. Whenever the duration of the time changes (for example because you have added or removed some cells, or blanked the PGC) the time map is no longer valid, and must be recomputed.
You can safely rebuild the time maps of blanked titles, as the duration of those titles are so short that the time map will be empty anyway.

You can blank the FBI warning and leave the studio logo using this method:
- Select the FBIW, and use PGC -> Kill PGC Playback (or type Control+K, or use the toolbar icon.)
- When prompted if you want to remove the PGC cells, answer yes. The PGC should be converted to a dummy.
- Repeat this procedure for all PGCs you want to blank in the same menu domain (in the VMGM in this case.) Of course, do not kill the logo!
- When done, save the DVD.
- Select any PGC of the VMGM, and use Tools -> FixVTS to remove physically the useless cells from VIDEO_TS.VOB. (Note that you must have installed FixVTS somewhere. If PgcEdit cannot find it, you will need to select FixVTS.exe with the file browser the first time you use that function.)

Note that this procedure works on a PGC basis, unlike Blank Out All PGCs, which work on the whole domain. You can also blank only some cells of a PGC, but this is needed only if, for example, the FBI warning and the logo are in the same PGC. I suppose it's not the case here.

You can also easily blank out all menu domains without buttons. (If a PGC has some buttons, its label includes, for example, "8b." if there are 8 buttons in the PGC.) As I don't have the menu VOBs, I'm not sure there are menus with buttons (except of course in the main VTSM 1 menu), but there might be some buttons in VTSM 2 or 4.

I'll explain later how to blank the menus with buttons...

[rdkapp]

When blanking a titleset, the VOB file(s) should be moved in the backup folder. Normally, you should do it, unless the files are already present in the backup folder. Anyway, that's not really important, but do another incremental backup now.

So, am I OK here? A new incremental backup has been done.

The time map of a title is needed to inform the player where it should jump in the VOB file to go to a particular time. It is needed when you use the timeline of a software player, or the goto time function of an hardware player. Whenever the duration of the time changes (for example because you have added or removed some cells, or blanked the PGC) the time map is no longer valid, and must be recomputed.
You can safely rebuild the time maps of blanked titles, as the duration of those titles are so short that the time map will be empty anyway.

Thanks for the explanation. Now, should I do it with PgcEdit or VobBlanker? Which is better/quicker? If PgcEdit, how do I do it without the prompt? If VobBlanker, how do I do it?

You can blank the FBI warning and leave the studio logo using this method:

. . . .

Note that this procedure works on a PGC basis, unlike Blank Out All PGCs, which work on the whole domain. You can also blank only some cells of a PGC, but this is needed only if, for example, the FBI warning and the logo are in the same PGC. I suppose it's not the case here.

The FBI warning and logo are in the same PGC. They are in "VMGM ,LU1(en),3" (see screenshot).

You can also easily blank out all menu domains without buttons. (If a PGC has some buttons, its label includes, for example, "8b." if there are 8 buttons in the PGC.) As I don't have the menu VOBs, I'm not sure there are menus with buttons (except of course in the main VTSM 1 menu), but there might be some buttons in VTSM 2 or 4.

I'll explain later how to blank the menus with buttons...

There are buttons all over the place (see 2b in the screenshot above). Is there a way I can publish the menu VOBs? I think a screenshot will be very large, and probably still wouldn't show you all of them.

[r0lZ]

As I said, there might still be a bug in PgcEdit's Rebuild Time Map (NTSC only.) However, as far as I can judge it with only two NTSC DVDs, everything is perfect now. It might therefore be an user error. Anyway, you can rebuild the time maps of all fitles of the DVD, of all titles of the current titleset, or of a specific PGC with PgcEdit. Look in its "DVD" and "Title" menus.


Since the FBI warning and the studio logo are in the same PGC, you will have to blank them at the cell level.

- Open the PGC editor by double clicking on the PGC. Locate the cells you want to blank with the preview (using the rightmost buttons in the cell list.)
- When you have found the FBI warning, click on the VOB/Cell ID button of its cell.
- If the "Use last blank cell in VOB" button is available, click on it, and click OK. When this button is not grayed out, that means that PgcEdit has found a tiny black cell at the end of the VOB file (either because there was already a blank cell there, or because PgcEdit has already added one.)
- If you haven't already blanked something in the same domain, this button will probably be disabled. In this case, select the next option "Create a new blank VOB cell". It is better to enable the Backup VOB option for safety purposes. Click OK. The DVD will be saved and reloaded automatically. Reopen the PGC Editor.
- Repeat the procedure for all cells you want to blank. Of course, this time, you should be able to reuse the last blank VOB cell.

Be sure to NOT blank cells with buttons with this method!

In the VMGM PGC 5, there are also two cells with one button in each cell. Since they are the menus to control the parental level, I suppose you need to keep them.

When you have finished blanking the cells of the VMGM, select any PGC in the VMGM, and use Tools -> FixVTS to remove the useless cells from the VOB file.

[r0lZ]

Do a new incremental backup.

Now, blank the other menu domains. Since those VTS should never be played, it is probably not necessary to keep some cells in those menus. So, I propose you blank them using the "Blank Out all PGCs in domain" method.

Apply the function as described for the titles domains, above, but this time, select the option to completely remove the menu VOB file.
Since there are buttons, the menu viewer will be opened (once for each PGC with buttons) and you will have to select a button to continue.
To select the right button, you have to understand how the blank operation works. When a PGC is blanked, the Kill Playback function is called on the PGC, so that the video of the PGC is never played. Kill Playback modifies the pre-commands of the PGC to execute immediately the post commands, thus continuing the navigation normally without having to play the cells of the PGC. However, when there are buttons in the PGC, it is necessary to simulate the normal playback of the cell, and therefore, PgcEdit must also include a button command in the pre-command. Of course, when there are several buttons in the PGC, PgcEdit cannot guess automatically which button it must simulate. This is why you will have to select a button yourself.

Since you don't want to play anything in those titlesets, you should select the menu button that goes back to the main menu (whenever possible), or returns to the previous extra menu. This way, if, pre chance, a menu PGC is played, the navigation will always return back to the previous menu automatically.
Of course, in some cases, it's not possible (for example, in parental control menus, you have usually only one button.)
There is also an exception to this rule. When you kill a language or aspect ratio selection menu that appear only once at the beginning of the playback of the DVD, there is no way to return to a previous (non-existent) menu. In this case, you have to select the button you would have selected during the normal playback of the DVD.

Anyway, I'll explain later how to disable the extra menu so that it will be (theoretically) impossible to jump to the blanked titlesets. Therefore, it is not very important to select the right menu button, as the blanked PGCs will probably never be played at all.

[r0lZ]

Is there a way I can publish the menu VOBs? I think a screenshot will be very large, and probably still wouldn't show you all of them.

The simplest way to do that is to use MenuShrink on all titlesets with menu buttons. It will convert the animated menus to still, and remove the audio. MenuShrink is really easy to use.

Post the IFOs and the menushrinked menu VOBs (VIDEO_TS.VOB and VTS_**_0.VOB) here.

Of course, you will have to restore the MenuShrink backup if you want to keep the original animated menus. (BTW, don't forget to reload the DVD in PgcEdit after using FixVTS or restoring the backup, or the files in PgcEdit's memory will be different!)
You can also copy the whole DVD in another folder before using MenuShrink.

[rdkapp]

I'll respond one post at a time

As I said, there might still be a bug in PgcEdit's Rebuild Time Map (NTSC only.) However, as far as I can judge it with only two NTSC DVDs, everything is perfect now. It might therefore be an user error. Anyway, you can rebuild the time maps of all fitles of the DVD, of all titles of the current titleset, or of a specific PGC with PgcEdit. Look in its "DVD" and "Title" menus.

I rebuilt the time maps of all titles of the DVD and here's the log:

Some durations have been fixed in VTS_TMAPTI of VTS 1:
VTS 1, PGC 1 playback time: 02:46:26.00 -> 02:46:26.03
 
Some durations have been fixed in VTS_TMAPTI of VTS 3:
VTS 3, PGC 1, cell 1: 00:00:00.12 -> 00:00:00.15
VTS 3, PGC 1, cell 2: 00:00:00.12 -> 00:00:00.15
VTS 3, PGC 1, cell 3: 00:00:00.12 -> 00:00:00.15
VTS 3, PGC 1, cell 4: 00:00:00.12 -> 00:00:00.15
VTS 3, PGC 1 playback time: 00:00:01.18 -> 00:00:02.00
VTS 3, PGC 8, cell 1: 00:00:00.12 -> 00:00:00.15
VTS 3, PGC 8, cell 2: 00:00:00.12 -> 00:00:00.15
VTS 3, PGC 8, cell 3: 00:00:00.12 -> 00:00:00.15
VTS 3, PGC 8, cell 4: 00:00:00.12 -> 00:00:00.15
VTS 3, PGC 8, cell 5: 00:00:00.12 -> 00:00:00.15
VTS 3, PGC 8, cell 6: 00:00:00.12 -> 00:00:00.15
VTS 3, PGC 8, cell 7: 00:00:00.12 -> 00:00:00.15
VTS 3, PGC 8 playback time: 00:00:02.24 -> 00:00:03.15
 
Some durations have been fixed in VTS_TMAPTI of VTS 4:
VTS 4, PGC 1, cell 1: 00:00:00.12 -> 00:00:00.15
VTS 4, PGC 1, cell 2: 00:00:00.12 -> 00:00:00.15
VTS 4, PGC 1, cell 3: 00:00:00.12 -> 00:00:00.15
VTS 4, PGC 1, cell 4: 00:00:00.12 -> 00:00:00.15
VTS 4, PGC 1, cell 5: 00:00:00.12 -> 00:00:00.15
VTS 4, PGC 1, cell 6: 00:00:00.12 -> 00:00:00.15
VTS 4, PGC 1, cell 7: 00:00:00.12 -> 00:00:00.15
VTS 4, PGC 1, cell 8: 00:00:00.12 -> 00:00:00.15
VTS 4, PGC 1, cell 9: 00:00:00.12 -> 00:00:00.15
VTS 4, PGC 1, cell 10: 00:00:00.12 -> 00:00:00.15
VTS 4, PGC 1, cell 11: 00:00:00.12 -> 00:00:00.15
VTS 4, PGC 1, cell 12: 00:00:00.12 -> 00:00:00.15
VTS 4, PGC 1, cell 13: 00:00:00.12 -> 00:00:00.15
VTS 4, PGC 1, cell 14: 00:00:00.12 -> 00:00:00.15
VTS 4, PGC 1, cell 15: 00:00:00.12 -> 00:00:00.15
VTS 4, PGC 1 playback time: 00:00:06.00 -> 00:00:07.15

I'm learning something here. Correct me if I'm wrong, but since a majority of the time changes occurred in VTS 3 and VTS 4, they don't concern me since they are unnecessary menus or extras that either have been or will eventually be blanked. The only one of interest is the change to VTS 1, but since it's only an increase of 0.03 of a second, I'm not concerned.

Since the FBI warning and the studio logo are in the same PGC, you will have to blank them at the cell level. . . .

Be sure to NOT blank cells with buttons with this method!

In the VMGM PGC 5, there are also two cells with one button in each cell. Since they are the menus to control the parental level, I suppose you need to keep them.

I only blanked the FBI warnings with this method. It worked like a charm. I did keep the parental control menu.

When you have finished blanking the cells of the VMGM, select any PGC in the VMGM, and use Tools -> FixVTS to remove the useless cells from the VOB file.

I started to do this, and it had to go through the 1st time setup, and I wondered whether to do FixVTS "In place (no backup)." So, I didn't go through with it. Please tell me if I should tick "In place (no backup)," before selecting cleanup?

[r0lZ]

I'm learning something here. Correct me if I'm wrong, but since a majority of the time changes occurred in VTS 3 and VTS 4, they don't concern me since they are unnecessary menus or extras that either have been or will eventually be blanked. The only one of interest is the change to VTS 1, but since it's only an increase of 0.03 of a second, I'm not concerned.

Right.
BTW, I forgot to say that a menu has no time map.

... I wondered whether to do FixVTS "In place (no backup)." So, I didn't go through with it. Please tell me if I should tick "In place (no backup)," before selecting cleanup?

Again, it's only a backup option. The result is identical in both cases.
It is safer to create the backup, especially if you want to use PgcEdit's restore backup automatic function. If you untick this option, the FixVTS process will be much faster, but you cannot go back if something goes wrong, and PgcEdit might restore wrong files with its automatic restore backup function. (This is why this option is now ticked by default when you launch FixVTS from PgcEdit.)
Anyway, as you are only processing small menus, using the backup option is probably a good idea. Personally, I don't use it often, just to save time, but I know how to recover a damaged DVD.

[rdkapp]

Again, it's only a backup option. The result is identical in both cases.
It is safer to create the backup, especially if you want to use PgcEdit's restore backup automatic function. If you untick this option, the FixVTS process will be much faster, but you cannot go back if something goes wrong, and PgcEdit might restore wrong files with its automatic restore backup function. (This is why this option is now ticked by default when you launch FixVTS from PgcEdit.)

I don't think this is important, but I believe you've got it backwards. The default is unticked. The selection is "In Place (no backup)," so that if you tick it, there will be no backup, and if left unticked, there will be a backup. I left it unticked, which is what I think you were recommending.

Do a new incremental backup.

Done

Now, blank the other menu domains. Since those VTS should never be played, it is probably not necessary to keep some cells in those menus. So, I propose you blank them using the "Blank Out all PGCs in domain" method. . . .

Following your detailed instructions, I completed this for all menus except those in VTS 1. I did, however, encounter some warnings, all of which were similar to the following:



I just clicked OK and proceeded past them. There were a couple of other instances where it made me go back and choose a different button, but I think I caught on to that

I saved the DVD and then loaded it (Full Disc) up in DVD Shrink to see what's left. There's really nothing else in there that I want to remove, except, the Extras (0.05 mb) and the Unreferenced Material (0.01 mb) are still taking up a small amount of space. I'm guessing the space is from the tiny black cells (?) when the PGCs were blanked. I know it doesn't result in much additional space, but from an educational standpoint, is there any way to get rid of those small files of Extras and Unreferenced Material? What raises that question in my mind is that there are no remnants left from blanking the FBI Warnings. Why can't we do the same with those? Oh wait, is it because the FBI Warnings were in the same PGC with the Studio logo, which was retained, and therefore, there's no blanking of a complete file (only part of a file)? [I'm answering my own question - I hope I'm right]

About the only other thing I can think of, is that on the Main Menu, the buttons for "Special Features" and "Sneak Peeks," which now lead nowhere (i.e. back to the Main Menu), are useless, and I know there is a way to get rid of those buttons. Is it difficult to remove those buttons? And, will it save space of any significance?

Anyway, I'll explain later how to disable the extra menu so that it will be (theoretically) impossible to jump to the blanked titlesets. Therefore, it is not very important to select the right menu button, as the blanked PGCs will probably never be played at all.

I'm not sure if the above post is applicable, but if it is, I'm all ears (or eyes for that matter).

[r0lZ]

I don't think this is important, but I believe you've got it backwards. The default is unticked. The selection is "In Place (no backup)," so that if you tick it, there will be no backup, and if left unticked, there will be a backup. I left it unticked, which is what I think you were recommending.

Oh, yes, you're right. Sorry.

Following your detailed instructions, I completed this for all menus except those in VTS 1. I did, however, encounter some warnings, all of which were similar to the following: [...]

I just clicked OK and proceeded past them. There were a couple of other instances where it made me go back and choose a different button, but I think I caught on to that

This warning is displayed when Pgcdit cannot completely kill the playback of a PGC due to some commands. Since those PGCs will never be played (at least if we kill the bonus and previews buttons in the main menu), it is safe to ignore them.

I saved the DVD and then loaded it (Full Disc) up in DVD Shrink to see what's left. There's really nothing else in there that I want to remove, except, the Extras (0.05 mb) and the Unreferenced Material (0.01 mb) are still taking up a small amount of space. I'm guessing the space is from the tiny black cells (?) when the PGCs were blanked. I know it doesn't result in much additional space, but from an educational standpoint, is there any way to get rid of those small files of Extras and Unreferenced Material?

Right. You should be already able to remove the unreferenced material with FixVTS. In Shrink, note from which domain(s) the unref cells are coming from, and FixVTS this (those) domain(s).
A blanked VTS still consumes the space needed for the IFOs, BUPs and one or two tiny VOBs. That's normal.

About the only other thing I can think of, is that on the Main Menu, the buttons for "Special Features" and "Sneak Peeks," which now lead nowhere (i.e. back to the Main Menu), are useless, and I know there is a way to get rid of those buttons. Is it difficult to remove those buttons? And, will it save space of any significance?

I'm not sure if the above post is applicable, but if it is, I'm all ears (or eyes for that matter).

Yes, it is possible to "remove" them, although you will still see them, as the buttons are part of the background image. It is really easy to disable the button and remove the highlights, but you will not regain any disc space by doing this.
It is also possible to edit the background image, but that's easy only if your menu is a still frame (with or without audio.) In the other hand, modifying the background of an animated menu is really difficult, time consuming, and requires sophisticated authoring programs.
With some luck, you will be able to delete easily some or all unused VTS when you will have disabled the useless menu buttons. See next post...

[r0lZ]

Disabling menu buttons

To disable a menu button, you must first locate the PGC with the button to disable, and open the menu viewer (for example by middle-clicking on the PGC).

Note the large dropdown menu at the top of the viewer. It lists all cells of the current PGC. Since, often several almost identical cells are used in the same menu, be sure to examine all cells with buttons. You might have to kill the same button in several cells, and perhaps also in several PGCs. (In this case, I think that there are several cells but only one PGC per menu.)

- Select the cell to edit, and open the menu editor by clicking on the Edit button in the viewer.
- Using the slider at the top of the editor, select the button you want to disable.
- Select Hide Button -> Jump to non deleted button. The button should be replaced by a small (1 pixel) button in the top right corner, and its VM command should be modified. It is now impossible to select it with the remote, and extremely difficult to click on it with the mouse!

Several things to note:

- It is also possible to remove completely the button with Button -> Delete Button, but this method is not recommended (unless you redo completely the authoring manually), as if you delete it, the subsequent buttons numbers will be decremented. If the DVD selects a specific button before jumping to the menu, a wrong button will be selected. For example, if you delete button 2, and the original button 3 is normally pre-selected, it's the original button 4 that will be highlighted by default. Also, if the last button is pre-selected but that button doesn't exist any more, the player might even crash. If you simply hide the button, you don't have to worry.

- If you hide a button but that button is pre-selected, it will still be selected, but will be invisible (since its highlight is not displayed any more.) In this case, you will have to use the remote to move to the next or previous button. If you press OK, a non-hidden button will be automatically selected. (This is why the best method to hide a button is Jump to non-deleted button, rather than Replace with NOP, which does nothing, or Leave original command, which will still jump to the blanked material.)

- You can force the pre-selection of a specific button with the advanced option "When the buttons are displayed, force select button N". If this value is 0, no button are forced, and whichever button has been pre-selected by the nav commands will be highlighted. If you hide the first button, it is usually a good idea to force select the first non-hidden button.

- When you delete or hide a button, PgcEdit tries to reconnect the remaining buttons, so that you can still access all of them with the remote. But in some very rare cases, the links are broken, and some buttons might become unreachable. It is therefore necessary to verify carefully if all buttons are still reachable. The Show adjacent buttons option displays arrows to show which button is selected when you press the corresponding cursor on the remote. You can also test the behaviour of the menu with the cursor keys of your keyboard. If a button cannot be reached any more, you have to select a reachable button near that button, and modify one of its adjacent button link to point to the unreachable button.

- For technical reasons, in a 16:9 menu, there are several button groups. Be sure to work always in the pseudo-group called "All". This way, you will edit the button in all groups at once.

When you will have hidden all useless buttons, save the DVD. The menu VOB file will be modified, therefore you will be prompted to backup it before applying the changes.

[r0lZ]

Unfortunately, given the way your DVD is authored, it is probably difficult to delete the blanked VTS. In some case, hiding the bonus menu is sufficient to be able to delete easily the useless VTS, with DVD -> Delete uncalled PGCs, but that will not work in this case. You can however try it. Maybe the bonus and preview menus will be considered as uncalled, and you will be able to recover still some disc space by processing VTST 1 with FixVTS.

If you really want to delete them completely, you will have to edit several dummy PGCs in the VMGM, and I will have to explain many things.
Anyway, begin by hiding the buttons, and try Delete uncalled PGCs.

[rdkapp]

I saved the DVD and then loaded it (Full Disc) up in DVD Shrink to see what's left. There's really nothing else in there that I want to remove, except, the Extras (0.05 mb) and the Unreferenced Material (0.01 mb) are still taking up a small amount of space. I'm guessing the space is from the tiny black cells (?) when the PGCs were blanked. I know it doesn't result in much additional space, but from an educational standpoint, is there any way to get rid of those small files of Extras and Unreferenced Material?

Right. You should be already able to remove the unreferenced material with FixVTS. In Shrink, note from which domain(s) the unref cells are coming from, and FixVTS this (those) domain(s).
A blanked VTS still consumes the space needed for the IFOs, BUPs and one or two tiny VOBs. That's normal.

I don't know if we're on the same page here, but I ran FixVTS ("cleanup"), as a stand alone (not through PgcEdit) on the entire movie (all VOB files) w/backup. All domains were involved, except VTS1 (the main movie), so I thought "what the heck; run it on the whole movie." When I loaded it back into Shrink, it's exactly the same; a small amount of space taken up by Extras (0.05 mb) and Unreferenced Material (0.01 mb). See screenshot:



It's all tiny black cells. I'm guessing that your statement, "That's normal" applies to this unused space and means that I can't get rid of it. Is that correct? OTOH, if I didn't run FixVTS correctly, just let me know.

[rdkapp]

Unfortunately, given the way your DVD is authored, it is probably difficult to delete the blanked VTS. In some case, hiding the bonus menu is sufficient to be able to delete easily the useless VTS, with DVD -> Delete uncalled PGCs, but that will not work in this case. You can however try it. Maybe the bonus and preview menus will be considered as uncalled, and you will be able to recover still some disc space by processing VTST 1 with FixVTS.

If you really want to delete them completely, you will have to edit several dummy PGCs in the VMGM, and I will have to explain many things.
Anyway, begin by hiding the buttons, and try Delete uncalled PGCs.

The buttons are deactivated (l like that term rather than "hidden," because as you said, they're still there; they're just no longer active). I ran DVD-->Delete and PgcEdit reported "No uncalled PGCs found in DVD." I didn't read this post before I made my previous post, but it sounds like you're talking about the small space taken up by the tiny black cells left after blanking the Extras and Unreferenced Material. If that is what you are talking about, I would like to delete them completely, but I don't know if it's worth it, for a total of 0.06 mb. I'm eager to learn, but I'll leave that one up to you. You've already gone way beyond the norm in helping me and I really appreciate it and I certainly won't blame you for not going forward with explaining how to edit the dummy PGCs.

Actually, if the truth be told, I'd rather learn how to import the Scene Selection menu from disc 2 into the disc 1 menu, but again, I'll leave that up to you.

If we don't go forward with either (1) editing the dummy PGCs, or (2) importing the disc 2 Scene Selection menu, it appears that I'm ready to go forward with burning my DVD. I just need to locate two posts in this large thread: (1) steps for burning, and (2) files to retain for future import of the disc 2 Scene Selection menu.