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  • Qyd
    Digital Video Technician
    Digital Video Technician
    • Oct 2002
    • 433

    #16
    I've read in this forums that 3vix can be configured to playback divx and xvid sources. If so you can certainly configure it not to mess up with other mpeg-4 codecs.
    Using modified versions of flask (Flask3 SiS, Flask.tsunami) will enable you to encode all vobs in a sequence in one go, so you won't have to join them afterwards in VDub.
    Why do you end up with a 2GB+ file? Audio compression maybe?
    If I say something wrong don't flame, just ignore me, OK. Pfff, it's hot here.

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    • Enchanter
      Old member
      • Feb 2002
      • 5417

      #17
      Originally posted by Qyd
      I've read in this forums that 3vix can be configured to playback divx and xvid sources. If so you can certainly configure it not to mess up with other mpeg-4 codecs.
      Using modified versions of flask (Flask3 SiS, Flask.tsunami) will enable you to encode all vobs in a sequence in one go, so you won't have to join them afterwards in VDub.
      Why do you end up with a 2GB+ file? Audio compression maybe?
      If I say something wrong don't flame, just ignore me, OK. Pfff, it's hot here.
      As far as I have tested, 3IVX does an average (I'm being lenient here actually) job in decoding MPEG-4 compression formats. I prefer FFDShow, which walks all over the said codec in terms of pretty much everything.

      And I am trying to cool things down here anyway.

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      • iq454
        Junior Member
        Junior Member
        • May 2003
        • 23

        #18
        Thanks Enchanter
        Thanks QYD
        And I apologize once again UncasMS, I will have no more Unacceptable content.

        Enchanter, Yes I have tried all of what you said and others, the picture is great yes, but, (lol, there's always a but), it always has to do if it's done right and what it's played on, with, and your budget. My way and my filters added can produce a file 700MB large with (almost) the best performance as well as picture for any 50HZ-100Hz TV and PC monitors, but most importantly for me it has to work for Plasma so I need to filter my movies differently then you guys(assuming you don't own Plasmas).

        But guess what?

        I fixed the movie!

        I just cut it again at the join point in V dub and joined it again in V dub.

        And about appending the VOB's, it worked too, I just ripped all the VOB's in Smart Ripper File mode, so Flask can append them all without having to read the disc and me having to join them in Vdub after they were encoded in Flask, and joining doesn't seem to be a problem anymore, I 'm thinking it was NanDub and obviously that 3ivx pack(3ivx.dll still in system folder though). Thanks Enchanter, and thank you too QYD for your help also.

        And why my file is 2GIG?

        I made it that big!

        I don't put my stuff on 800MB CDR's, I put them on 10GIG RAM discs, I have hundreds of my own encoded rips on these.
        Most of them are done in AC3 audio and DIVX4.12 and now 5.0.5

        I have had heaps of people tell me that they have 3discs sets at highest quality, when you play say a series of some sort or in most peoples case a 3disc movie, you don't have to keep replacing the disc and oall you need is a RAM writer, $800AUD, me personally, I just stream it from my pc to my Plasma.
        And this is one of the main reasons I know the picture has to do with how you use filters and what yo watch it on and with.

        You see, if you had the best guy in the world encode a movie with the best picture and sound, it still won't compare to the picture I get, cause if I play that guys encoded movie on my Plasma, it won't display it properly as you will always get blocks, always even at the highest bit rate around, so I had to intervene.

        But(LOL) his movie will display on a 50-100Hz perfect and his PC monitor, but nothing compared to me, my pictures, sound, and storage will decimate almost any expert encoder that makes them to watch on a normal TV.

        But that's another subject.

        Thanks again guys
        Especially you Enchanter

        PEACE
        Last edited by iq454; 7 May 2003, 06:42 PM.

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        • Enchanter
          Old member
          • Feb 2002
          • 5417

          #19
          You're welcome.

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          • UncasMS
            Super Moderator
            • Nov 2001
            • 9047

            #20
            but nothing compared to me, my pictures, sound
            so what exactly is different with your files?

            - they are ~2gb in size or bigger?
            - they contain ac3 sound

            - what kind of filtering do you apply?

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            • iq454
              Junior Member
              Junior Member
              • May 2003
              • 23

              #21
              Basically I had to adapt the picture for the Plasma, once I set the filters (must be perfect) the picture is great, better than anything I ever expected.

              I used to watch my movies on Normal TV and I could really tell the difference between a movie I'd done, one high, one low, but with my Plasma it doesn't seem to care about bit rate, well not that much.

              As I compared High quality against the Lower quality of the same movie on the Plasma, I really couldn't notice any difference but the rates at which it put the pictures on screen, this made the colours go ape, even though the file is perfect.

              and this is why I can get a 700MB movie to be better looking than any 3GIGavi at full quality, but you need the PLASMA full stop. And once again, this file played on a Normal TV unfiltered,(as perfect as you can get anyway), will not compare to what I can make it look like on a PLASMA.

              One day I encoded a movie with Divx_5.0.2 at full quality and played it on Plasma, heap of s-hit, I played it on my Normal TV and PC monitor, perfect, crispy clean.

              So I thought hang on, wtf's going on here.
              I consulted my Plasma manual and found that the screen is "Plasma" obviously and that the Hz of my TV jumps Hz to Hz making the picture undesireable(blockey in Dark areas for non source content, like streaming) Instead of staying the same like 50-100Hz TV's. But if you played a Normal DVD in a DVD player and passed it through to the Plasma you wont have to change any settings, so I think it is just a codec thing.
              So after the details, I got pissed and thought, I must be able to play my movies on this stupid thing without the blocks, (and remember this movie works perfect on Normal TV's), so anyway yup you guessed it, I used the filters in V Dub to just match the Dark blocks and carry the same colour instead of a different lighter colour and also applied a few others like contrast and that, well a week later when I finished correcting it, I played it and I couldn't believe it, the picture was so clear it was like watching a DVD at 100,000 times the original DVD bit rate.

              So like I said before, it depends on how you filter it what you watch it on and with.
              I can't give exact specs for the filters and which ones to use as it will be a waste of time telling people what the best settings are when each movie is different. But you guys will never really know what picture you can get unless you own a PLASMA.

              I didn't think you could get more perfect than perfect, put it that way.

              So that's what's different with my files, MY PLASMA and Filters.

              And yes, AC3audio.
              Last edited by iq454; 10 May 2003, 12:35 AM.

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              • UncasMS
                Super Moderator
                • Nov 2001
                • 9047

                #22
                that must be impressive filtering when video files of some 300-400mb in size look
                like watching a DVD at 100,000 times the original DVD bit rate.

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                • Batman
                  Lord of Digital Video
                  Lord of Digital Video
                  • Jan 2002
                  • 2317

                  #23
                  Wouldn't filtering cause you to lose some detail?

                  So even though the filter may remove noise wouldn't you also degrade the quality somewhat.

                  I understand that this is a subjective issue and everyone has their own opinions.

                  Have you tried 1-pass quality base encoding (since you are relatively unconcerned about file size/bitrate)?

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                  • iq454
                    Junior Member
                    Junior Member
                    • May 2003
                    • 23

                    #24
                    that must be impressive filtering when video files of some 300-400mb in size look by UncasMS
                    My 300-400MB files are perfect without any filtering, not that I'd make any that Low to keep anyway.
                    Wouldn't filtering cause you to lose some detail? by Batman
                    When I play my movies encoded like you normally would, they don't play properly on my Plasma, so I have to add a few filters to make corrections (not create more problems), but after doing so, I noticed that I could get a way better picture through my Plasma Streaming from my Geforce4 Quadro 980XGL, than if I played that file I filtered specially for the Plasma on my PC monitor.

                    The trick is to have a Plasma TV, A Quadro XGL900-980 to stream the picture and a movie filtered by me, lol, to make 700MB movies come out like a 10GIG movies at full(if any), I know it sounds silly that you have to correct a movie that aint broke for a Plasma that cost you 10G's, but that's what led me to create a picture that decimates any picture you ever seen at the smallest file size and encoded bit rate ( no degradation), yes you can do better if more bits are used, (logically) but what's the point, (logic is) and I guarantee you will not see a difference as I have tested lots of movies?

                    I think the reason why I have to fix a perfect file?

                    is that the colours bounce around the screen on Plasma's cause of Hz fluctuations and there just isn't enough of the colour blocks to carry through or handle the pressure, so to speak.

                    So I basically made the contrast and the hue make a sort of GAMMA, and brought the picture out like it was supposed to with Vdub, now I know why my TV cost so much.

                    I haven't come across any Gamma filters which would make it allot easier for me

                    So anyway I compared my Filtered movie on my Plasma to the original DVD played through the DVD player straight to my Normal 60Hz TV, (TV still a perfect picture though, as I'm sure you own a DVD player by now), and yes the Plasma and the filtered file is the winner, play the same file at half the encode quality and you will see the difference on PC monitor but will see none on the Plasma once the picture is filtered, and you cannot filter the movie for your PC monitor cause the picture is as good as you can get already.
                    Have you tried 1-pass quality base encoding (since you are relatively unconcerned about file size/bit rate)? by Batman
                    I have tried them all.
                    Last edited by iq454; 10 May 2003, 12:27 AM.

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