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  • paglamon
    Lord of Digital Video
    Lord of Digital Video
    • Aug 2005
    • 2126

    Progressive, interlaced, telecine

    Here is a sample of avi which Mediainfo says is progressive.But, when I play it(both on PC and TV) I can see the typical "comb lines" of interlaced video ? Can anyone comment on this ?
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  • Chewy
    Super Moderator
    • Nov 2003
    • 18971

    #2
    I only see one line at the very bottom of the screen

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    • paglamon
      Lord of Digital Video
      Lord of Digital Video
      • Aug 2005
      • 2126

      #3
      In Media Player Classic ? Do you have FFDSHOW configured for deinterlacing? Here is a screenshot of what I am getting.
      @Chewy, advance the video frame by frame and you should get the lines.Look for lines around moving things e.g. the lips or the turning head.
      I want to know whether this avi is progressive or interlaced or telecined.
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      • Chewy
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        • Nov 2003
        • 18971

        #4
        output is set for vmr9 renderless

        no lines even advancing step by step
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        • paglamon
          Lord of Digital Video
          Lord of Digital Video
          • Aug 2005
          • 2126

          #5
          In MPC, which filter is decoding the video?As I said earlier,maybe FFDSHOW has been configured to deinterlace.Please open the file in VirtualdubMPEG2 or VirtualdubMod and go to frame 150 or frame 151 and you ought to see the interlacing lines.(Zoom to 200% to be sure).
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          • Chewy
            Super Moderator
            • Nov 2003
            • 18971

            #6
            deinterlacing is turned off,
            divx5 libavcodec

            frame 150 and 151 shows the lines at 200%, but not earlier or later

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            • paglamon
              Lord of Digital Video
              Lord of Digital Video
              • Aug 2005
              • 2126

              #7
              Sorry to disagree Chewy. There are plenty of frames showing those lines(at the areas which are moving),but not as much as in frames 150,151.Anyway,what does this mean? Is this progressive or interlaced ?Had it been interlaced, then,all frames would have shown the lines.Does this mean this is telecined ?
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              • admin
                Administrator
                • Nov 2001
                • 8952

                #8
                I'm seeing the interlacing during the camera cut aways, during playback (in ffdshow) and also in VirtualDub. It could be just that the video was encoded as progressive, but with the interlacing artifacts hard encoded into the video.
                Last edited by admin; 25 Aug 2007, 02:42 AM.
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                • Chewy
                  Super Moderator
                  • Nov 2003
                  • 18971

                  #9
                  well I used showtime to capture a frame and blew it up 50%
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                  Last edited by Chewy; 25 Aug 2007, 02:41 AM.

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                  • admin
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                    • Nov 2001
                    • 8952

                    #10
                    This is what I'm seeing (captured in VirtualDub).
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                    • Chewy
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                      • Nov 2003
                      • 18971

                      #11
                      same scene from showtime, again zoomed 50%
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                      • paglamon
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                        Lord of Digital Video
                        • Aug 2005
                        • 2126

                        #12
                        Nero Showtime(by default) has adaptive deinterlacing ON. Is it so in your case ?
                        It could be just that the video was encoded as progressive, but with the interlacing artifacts hard encoded into the video.
                        Yes. This is probably the case. So,should I deinterlace it for viewing on TV( the Progressive Scan in my DVD player is not helping) ?This will result in quality loss(due to re-encoding).Or,should I just accept those lines ?
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                        • Chewy
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                          • Nov 2003
                          • 18971

                          #13
                          adaptive deinterlacing is on
                          mystery solved

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                          • admin
                            Administrator
                            • Nov 2001
                            • 8952

                            #14
                            Originally Posted by paglamon
                            Yes. This is probably the case. So,should I deinterlace it for viewing on TV( the Progressive Scan in my DVD player is not helping) ?This will result in quality loss(due to re-encoding).Or,should I just accept those lines ?
                            The problem is that your source is not really interlaced, it just has interlacing artifacts). I don't know how effective the de-interlacing process will be, but it might be worth a try on a small clip just to see what will happen.

                            If it was me, I would probably just accept those lines.
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                            • paglamon
                              Lord of Digital Video
                              Lord of Digital Video
                              • Aug 2005
                              • 2126

                              #15
                              I tried the Deinterlace filter in Virtualdub. The filtered output was surely looking better.But I am doubtful about the final result once I re-encode the already compressed(DivX) avi. Yes, I will try it on the small clip that I attached and see what happens. Thank you Chewy and Admin for staying with me.
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